The World Turned Upside Down
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We will continue to complain about this to both the German and Russian ambassadors. Both of your nations are setting a terrible precedent for the future actions of nations. Imagine if Italy decided to lay a debt on Germany, we did after all fight the Iberian Communists who you were at war with. You would be outraged, and rightfully so. It is an outrageous precedent in modern diplomacy. I would expect better from a nation which founded the principle of nulla poena sine praevia lege poenali.
What about the precedent that America set in annexing a Mexico going against 3 of Wilson's points. Where is your outrage there?
Our country has a right to impose debt on others. It is not a bad precedent as it has been practiced for hundreds of years.
Also, how would you putting debt on us for fighting the Iberian communists have anything to do with us? The communists declared war on all those who attacked the communist revolutions in France and Iberia. So bad example.
Italy has never agreed with Wilson's points, we don't need to now. Debt is imposed before the fact, not after. The example is you and France fought a common enemy. You then put a debt on France for fighting said common enemy. Why should we not put a debt on you for fighting our common enemy?
Once again your example is not even comparable. If for instance our government was assualted by communist forces from within and we called on your aide to help restore order you have every right to name the price for it. The debts not only include what we publically released but for the trouble we went through to help restore their empire.
Then why do you care so much about Polish independence and not Mexican or Canadian independence? What inspired you to suddenly stand up for Polish rights?
Please look at your situation. You call us hyprocritical but we have valid and legitimate reasons for what we are doing. Nothing you say or do will change what we are working for. All we want is justice for the German people who have suffered much as of late for others. The French government saw our reasoning for the debts and through negiotations we worked for a solution.
We wish to bring up communiques from 1912 to prove our point. We have bolded the parts which give our position validity.
Firstly, the French government never asked for your help. You offered it, no conditions set. Secondly, you specifically told Spain and Portugal you were going to do the same for them. Since we did the job for you, it would seem as if you are indebted to us. Thirdly you came to the US and Italy to aid you in this war, why should we not put a debt on Germany for coming to its aid?
The French government may do as they wish with these demands, but the creation of these false debts has created a new system of diplomacy in this world which Italy fears will bring ruin to nations and create more bloodshed than it is worth. May we hope we are wrong, but we fear it to be so.
The French government asked for help in private channels. Go ahead and ask the French government to verify this.
We are done speaking on the matter as it has been solved between our two states. Also, like we said it is not just for the communist battle but for them suddenly turning anti-German despite all the diplomatic weight. We sacrificed a lot for France and they turned around to shut us out.
Italy's fears are ill founded. There are much worse things to be worried about as we have said many times before the Canadians and Mexicans fighting for independence require more attention. We have given in on Poland when will America give in?
It is within France's sovereign right to do as they please regardless of whatever Germany had done for them in the past. You made no stipulations to our knowledge of continued French support or monetary reparations, until now that is.
On the other matter we speak only for ourselves. We have no control over American policy.
On the other matter we speak only for ourselves. We have no control over American policy.
Our government would like to remind the Italian government we can work issues out with other states. If they or us ask you for help then you are involved but until then please mind your own business.
What a sorry excuse. You spoke on the Polish question why not on the Mexican or Canadian question?
Our nation would like a more reasonable explanation why you hold a double standard.
The reason is simple: they are a democracy and you are not. Where nations like America, Scandinavia, and Italy can internally work out our problems, nations like yourself can not. If you paid attention to American politics it seems very likely that Wilson will win the election and put an end to the Mexican annexation. This would have happened with or without the world's demands. America seemingly runs on their own clock separate from the world. As an example Scandinavia too is able to internally solve the problem they had a couple years ago with the Finns by restructuring their government. Germany meanwhile is an absolute monarchy, complete control in the man who call himself Caesar. The Poles, nor even the German people themselves, have a voice in how they are ruled or what will happen to them. We must stick up for the Poles because if we don't then nothing will happen, unlike the United States where people can see what is going on and fix it themselves.
It isn't a double standard when the two parties involved aren't on a standard in the first place.
The next question we have for you is that because you America democratic they have the right to annex an entire nation? Being democratic does not give you the moral ground. If Democracy is such a grand idea why not allow the people of Mexico and Canada to vote. We allowed the Polish to vote. Once again you are making excuses for something you know is wrong and yet refuse to speak out on it.
The Kaiser alone has done more to spread democracy around the world then Italy or America. We are working to create Poland (a democray) and have already created Belgium and Wales both democratic states.
Our people do have a voice in the Reichstag. They do elect people some who hold considerable power in the Empire. Currently, we believe a strong, central leader is necessary for the well being of the people. However, to ensure the ruler is not a mad man we have the Reichstag with the Prime Minister to keep him in check. Our country is looking into expanding democratic rights and no matter how liberal we become you will still turn a blind eye to America's wrong doings.
Amon Savag
The Great
To:Germany
From:Empress Longyu of China
Remember, friends, that yours truly has enfiefed you with the Province of France. You have the right to do with this land whatever you wish. Please do not allow brigands and robbers to govern this country for you. If they do not pay said indemnities, they are not living up to their obligation to you, as their landlord.
From:Empress Longyu of China
Remember, friends, that yours truly has enfiefed you with the Province of France. You have the right to do with this land whatever you wish. Please do not allow brigands and robbers to govern this country for you. If they do not pay said indemnities, they are not living up to their obligation to you, as their landlord.
HMS Vanguard
Prince
TO: World
FROM: The United Kingdom of Scandinavia
The Rikstag of the United Kingdom of Scandinavia wishes to tell the world that with the untimely death of the most loved King Gustaf V in Stockholm, the Communication between both Scandinavia and the rest of the world will be small, as the nation enters a time of national mourning for the longest reigning King, both of Sweden-Norway and later Scandinavia. We cordially invite all heads of state and Governing Rulers of all and any nations to attend to funeral of King Carl Gustaf V, to be held at the Copenhagen Cathedral 10 days before the Corontion of Xavier Felix Gustaf.
Your Sincerely
Karl Staaf
Prime Minster of the United Kingdom of Scandinavia
FROM: The United Kingdom of Scandinavia
The Rikstag of the United Kingdom of Scandinavia wishes to tell the world that with the untimely death of the most loved King Gustaf V in Stockholm, the Communication between both Scandinavia and the rest of the world will be small, as the nation enters a time of national mourning for the longest reigning King, both of Sweden-Norway and later Scandinavia. We cordially invite all heads of state and Governing Rulers of all and any nations to attend to funeral of King Carl Gustaf V, to be held at the Copenhagen Cathedral 10 days before the Corontion of Xavier Felix Gustaf.
Your Sincerely
Karl Staaf
Prime Minster of the United Kingdom of Scandinavia
TheLastJacobite
No Commies
The American ambassador to Scandinavia solemnly accepts the invitation to this sad ceremony. The world will be a darker place without such noble individuals as the former King.
Amon Savag
The Great
To:Italy
From:Empress Longyu of China
Who from China started dialogue with your country? China is repaying it's dept, on schedule if you must know. With diplomats that say things like "Suck it", I'm not sure how you could support such a weak governor for France. While you are an able governor, yourself, I do question this path you take.
*Frances diplomat was hung for it's use of impropper language to the Foreign minister of China. China's ambassador to France has been recalled, and a speech was made about how China will not do business with brigands such as those governing the region of France.*
From:Empress Longyu of China
Who from China started dialogue with your country? China is repaying it's dept, on schedule if you must know. With diplomats that say things like "Suck it", I'm not sure how you could support such a weak governor for France. While you are an able governor, yourself, I do question this path you take.
*Frances diplomat was hung for it's use of impropper language to the Foreign minister of China. China's ambassador to France has been recalled, and a speech was made about how China will not do business with brigands such as those governing the region of France.*
Mssing orders from Argentina, Dar-al-Islam, and Greece. 2/3 of these nations' orders were important to other nations' orders, so certain people don't be shocked if your orders were not carried out entirely.
Oh yes, also, update starting now.
I would like to say that i was mistaken, i have Greece's orders, but not the UCS' or Eire's
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