The World's Next Superpower

Margim

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Who is it going to be?
Currently, one would say that the United States, followed by China is easily the most influential nation on the planet. Not long ago, Russia was up there, and going over time, the British, French, Romans etc all had their turns.
Presumably, going through the rise and fall of nations in history, America won't remain the most influential forever (not that I'm doomsaying, just from a historical point of view it is highly unlikely). So here is a chance to put in your guesses as to who the next major power emerging in the world is going to be. Will one solidified Islamic State emerge? Will the EU finally get their act together? Will ethnic conflicts in Africa cease, allowing for political unity? Use your imaginations...:egypt:
 
I'm sure that that there will be an alliance between the Ismlamic countries. This will create confllicts with the US - England Super Power, not to mention with the EU.
 
ther eis no U.S-England super power- we are close allies, but that is a LONG way off from grouping together in such a fashion
 
Yes, there is. Everything that Bush says Blair does..it's like he's his puppet.
 
correct me if I'm worng, but that is at most a situation that couls last another 5 years- we're demcracies remeber, and with new leaders, come new policies- we're not stcuk together yet my friend ;)
 
Originally posted by Xen
correct me if I'm worng, but that is at most a situation that couls last another 5 years- we're demcracies remeber, and with new leaders, come new policies- we're not stcuk together yet my friend ;)

Com'on, for almost a Century US and England have been more than ''close allies'' no matter who was president or prime minister.

EDIT: US is a Parliamentary Democracy, England's a Parliamentary Monarchy.
 
Originally posted by Inter32


Com'on, for almost a Century US and England have been more than ''close allies'' no matter who was president or prime minister.

EDIT: US is a Parliamentary Democracy, England's a Parliamentary Monarchy.

close as in how- prior to the turn of the century, england was just as close to the U.S and Francem Germany, Belgium, or Italy- and we dont group all of them into one power.

in my opinion, people are to eager to group the world into new "powerblocks" as based ont he EU. but it just doenset work that way- the two nations are still soverign states, and have the frredom to make what ever choices they wish- the great seperation between the nomianl allicance between them, and what ever the hell the EU has going on.
 
I'm really starting to love how CFC is more and more full of these chin-up, chest-puffed-out types who spew kaka and believe they know everything.

If you want to be technical, be right, too. The US is a REPUBLIC, not a parliamentary democracy. Britain is a CONSTITUTIONAL MONARCHY with a Parliament, not a "Parliamentary Monarchy," especially since the monarch has no real power. And it's not "England;" England hasn't been a country since the beginning of the 18th Century.

As for your absurd claim that the US and UK are the same thing, you obviously aren't old enough to remember when times were different.

Vietnam? Grenada? The Falklands? Suez? Angola? Mozambique? Right there are six wars in which US and UK policy on the war, its goals and who should fight it were different. How about Cuba? Remember back when Maggie was the one preaching the virtues of dealing with Gorbachev, before the Americans would trust him? How about policy in Yugoslavia: US spends half a decade pushing for "lift-and-strike," but the UK is worried about its peacekeepers and says, "no."

Sorry, but you're just plain wrong.

R.III
 
Originally posted by Inter32


Com'on, for almost a Century US and England have been more than ''close allies'' no matter who was president or prime minister.

EDIT: US is a Parliamentary Democracy, England's a Parliamentary Monarchy.

The US is more of a federal Republic, not really a parliametary democracy.
 
I think this century will be the Asian century with India and China jostling for power in the region. I don't see either country getting too involved in world affairs.
Also, the cultural imperialism of India and China has already begun. Think curry and Kung fu;)
 
Curry is the result of British Imperialism, not Indian. ;)

"Your cultural and culinary distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile, by God!"

:borg:
 
The way I see it, the main powers that are around (or are to come) will probably be USA, UK, France, Germany, Russia, China, North Korea, Pakistan, India, Israel. And maybe Egypt too. Whoever's gonna get involved it's gonna be the Middle East, whether they come from that region or not.
 
Well, China and India are often quoted because of their population but I don't think they can be in a near-furture on a worldwide scale.

Imperialism and superpower are not the same thing but they are usually not so far from one another. So we might get some hints from that.

China is developping its imperialism on the "regional" arena (South China sea at the moment, Tibet (albeit Chinese people would not agree this is imperialism) and some much more discreet influence in central Asia and across the Amour river, mostly commercial or logisitics-based (China needs oil now).

On the other hand China's population is not really booming anymore but is even getting older and being wealthier and more urban, it won't probably change into a young booming population anytime soon. That is important because imperialism can often be correlated to a young, developping population (both as a mean and reason). Of course this is not automatic but that would hamper China becoming an imperialist superpower.

India has the population, a strong scientific base (probably better than China) but is less "industrious" ;) than China. More seriously its main pbs I think are its poverty, its tradition (not really expansionnist politically/militarily speaking outside the sub-continent) and its exhausting war stand in front of Pakistan that focuses too much its attention and scarce resources so I don't think India can become a superpower, except on a dice throw attempt which could be real bad for the planet. On the other hand myabe Indians will tire of doing the job in the Persian gulf for muslims but as long as Arabs get the oil money they are pretty untouchable.

I agree with allhailIndia though that their interests might be more regional than world ones.

But I actually don't see the US loosening their grip so soon. For various reasons :
First I do think the US "golden age" is gone and I think by itself the system should already be down now but it resists for :
- financial power : their dominance in a worldwide economic system means that they can actually take parts of the benefits of growth in other countries/areas, diverting resources to remain the main power. England was the first country to use that sytem and it sure enables one country to remain a power for a longer time. The modern economical and financial system is definitely a way of remaining the superpower (might have been ibn Laden's perception too)
- population : the US does the same with population since it still gets immigrants. The population is young, active and enterprising, the brain drain enables the US to remain at the top and to keep contact with other parts of the world.
- cultural : should I say more, albeit the US are changing, US references still are and will be, even after a possible drop-out, like Roman traditions were still widely recognized for a few centuries afterwards.
- lack of contenders : the USSR collapsed trying to keep up and it would be difficult to find a new one ready before a while, even if China does become the workshop of the world.
- global acceptance and recognition around the world. In spite of the hate US policy generates in some countries most government and people around the world don't have too much of a pb with the US dominance. I mean they prefer that one they know to another one they don't know and that could be really different (ie the EC whose values are closer to US ones than to Nigerian or Indian ones for instance). Of course US dominance is not always subtle and some policies (Bush being a paramount of it here) show both a lack of respect and understanding (or simply knowledge, wasn't Bush jr proud of not having a passport before being elected) of local values and ways of life that is extremely irritating.

So I think the US can remain a superpower for still a while, even though through the contribution of the rest of the world and not automatically representaitve of the helath of the American system.
But it will be costly, financially as well as politically, militarily, etc... And being the only superpower is the "best way" of attracting negative attention and bad reputation.
And that could become real bad. So I would see the possibility of a main superpower supported by a ring of regional (Egypt, Nigeria, Brasil,China ...) or second-rank world powers (UK, France, Japan (still for a while at least). That would divert the financial, reputation burden and would allow for a more global acceptance of international rules that would seem less unilateral and more intercultural (ie Egypt in the muslim world).
The UN could be the place for that by granting permanent seats to new members provided the US give up on their "manifest destiny" that they won't be able to support alone for too long I think. So exchanging control/support for time

Of course these are just some ideas. I am open to constructive criticism, hope I don't sound like one these young chin-up guys (:o ) and that this is not mere critics at the US from a frustrated old European. :p
 
This reminds me of a joke I heard a while ago:
Bush and Putin get frozen in and hibernate for the next 75 years. After they wake up, they decide to get a newspaper from the next store.
Putin, grinning, to Bush: "Would you look at that. The US is taking another loan from Ethiopia."
Bush, grinning, to Putin: "Yeah, but take a look at page 3: "Hostilities growing tense on German-Chinese border":D
 
Originally posted by Margim
Who is it going to be?

.. Use your imaginations...:egypt:

I think US will be rulling a world for many years to come.
EU will never be unic superpower, but a group of self oriented counties in a shadow of US military stenght.
Russia will be ally to US and ,or EU.
India and Pakistan will start the war (nuclear possibile) were China will take Indias side and together they'll become superpower no.1 as the time pass in next centuries.

Well I used my imagination...;)
 
Let''s tke this conversation to an italian forum., and let's see what their opinions about this are...

Of course everyone here is going to be against me...you are all americans....err..excuse me US CITIZENS. :p

Originally posted by calgacus


The US is more of a federal Republic, not really a parliametary democracy.

I got confused with Xen's remark :crazyeye: sorry.. :o
 
Originally posted by Inter32
Of course everyone here is going to be against me...you are all americans....err..excuse me US CITIZENS. :

Err, in case it does not show under my avatar, I am French, not a US citizen. Not that I want to show any hingoism in that but I just happen to be French, not quite a US citizen... yet (?) :D
 
I guess everyone really likes talking about this topic. Let's look at the past to see the future shall we?

Way back in the BC years, you had the Greeks, Romans, Chinese, some more powerful Indian kingdoms. Then after the BC, the Byzantines who were destroyed eventually by the Turks. A powerful all Asia Mongolia. the beginnings of monarchy and more stable monarchies in Europe. China is still leading in terms of science, supported by many historical books. The Mayas, Incas, and Aztecs each establish their own superpower kingdoms. There are even, about a year ago i read an article, archaeologists who say there was a superpower war within one of the main Indian kingdoms. The South Americans remain in South America since they don't have good boats to expand over the seas. That is partly their doom. Europe expands in terms of power while Mongol rule collapses. China is still a power to contend with, and India is under Mughal control. The Ottoman Empire is well established. Russia is still 1/3 it's current size. But expansion happens everywhere (kinda like a settler rush in the game) and colonies appear everywhere. America rebels against Britain, which controls Australia, Canada, parts of the Carribean, India- more and more, Hong Kong, parts of Africa, and some other smaller areas. Soon, after industrialization begins, Britain becomes all powerful, with Europe lagging behind since secrets aren't revealed to them. Near the end of the 19th century, Germany surpasses Britain as industrial and military power. America however becomes the financial leader of the world. Mainly due to no major conflicts that devastated the nation. German Empire, Austrian-Hungarian empire, Italy, France, Britain, and Russia are proclaimed superpowers. The rest of the world can't do much, they are in turmoil or colonies. I don't count America as a superpower until WWII, since the military wasn't that major back then. The Ottoman empire is failing literally, being invaded by European powers hoping for expansion. WWI occurs and rearranges the power blocs. France and Britain literally become the most powerful nations in the world.
After WWII, the order has switched to the USSR and the USA. The USSR collapses and now we have the New World Order.
I see that all these superpowers had something in common, good leadership, focus on the nation and economy. While America may lead for now, it will also start facing competition from around the world. Brazil might become an economic giant, with a minor military, but never to fight in the world. China may become powerful yes, but probably economically more. UN reports show democratic powers are less likely to have wars and resolve conflicts peacefully. India is going to take some time, it was mauled pretty badly by the British, but it is recovering. A united Europe would be hard, but i see it happening, as more and more youth get more and more access to neighbors, a European race wouldn't be out of the question, which would break down cultural barrriers. But the EU would probably would compete economically with America, since Europe's population is dwindling. A powerful Islam nation might pop up, but the chances are very low, they are just like Europeans, the Turks don't like Arabs, Arabs don't like Kurds, and vice versa a hundred times over.
A superpower could occur once again in Russia, they have the resources, the power if rekindled would possibly be dangerous. But they are the only ones who could directly challenge America, since China is behind 20 years for now. So is Russia, but they have the bases for almost every field. Not another USSR, but an economically and militarily powerful nation called the Russian Federation.
 
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