The World's Next Superpower

[andrewgprv]

I see the USA continuing to be the dominant super-power for quite some time. I predict that by the time I'm an old man it's power will be in serious decline due to cultural apathy towards education and world politics and a refusal to change policy to meet changing times.

The ones to keep your eye on for potential might are:

China (Lot's of resources and high population, culutral emphasis on education and progress combined with a lust for power)

EU (if they can unify) (Liberal policies compared to rest of the world insuring constant progress, if they unify they will have a huge population and emense resources)

I doubt the Mid East will become a place of much power, they have alot of issues that need to be worked out first concerning religons place in government and how to govern.

India, Brazil, Japan, Austrailia and Canada I would guess would increase power but not to a level of superpower.

Russia? Could go both ways...poverty or power

Those are my best guesses using my limited amount of knowledge.

 

[Inter4]

Originally posted by Roundman
No, the US isn't Parliamentary. We don't have a Parliament. We are a Presidential Democracy w/ a seperation of powers organization. [/B]

USA is a Federal Republic.
Great Britain is a Costitutional Monarchy

thanx to R.III for clearing it up to me

 

[Tathlum]

Why would the EU have to unite to be powerfull? The EU is not the US and it isn't trying to be the US. Most Europeans don't want a united "superstate". We're happy enough with a loose confederation of soverign states. I hope there is never a united european army or an agressive EU. The EU works fine as it is. It has been very good for the citizens of the member states, and does a good job of keeping the peace. (anyone see another war between France and Germany?). Its better off carrying on expansion than unification.
But it isn't weak. A union of 15 western nations (soon to be 25), 2 with nukes and containing some of the worlds largest economies, cannot be seen as being weak. It won't be a militaristic superpower but why would it be?

 

[phoenix_night]

Originally posted by Inter32
USA is a Federal Republic.
Great Britain is a Costitutional Monarchy

thanx to R.III for clearing it up to me

Wrong! I'm quite sure Richard III is not to blame either.

It is not Great Britain, it is the UK. That is the United Kingdom. In full: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

 

[Inter4]

UK, England, Great Britain..

j/k...

ok..it's UK!!!

(did that rime? )

 

[Thorgrimm]

Gentlemen if you equate dominance with economics, in the U.S. the state of California by itself has a gdp greater than 75% of the nations of the planet. The group of seven economic nations combined do not have a gdp greater than the U.S., and it would take the combined gdp of the planet to usurp the economic dominance of the U.S. I do not believe that would occur because of regionalism and cultural differences. As for the age of the population, the U.S. has so many people trying to immigrate to the U.S. i do not see where we would lose our "growth dynamics".My fellow Americans that believe the US is a stagnant economy have never left the US and seen real poverty and only whine about not being able to get the next big item. I have seen real poverty and appreciate the wealth of our society. I also think it is only Americans that can bring down America, because like a squabbling family we may be having a knockdown dragout fight, if someone else intrudes we stand shoulder to shoulder to boot out the intruder.

 

[Yago]

Originally posted by Thorgrimm
Gentlemen if you equate dominance with economics, in the U.S. the state of California by itself has a gdp greater than 75% of the nations of the planet. The group of seven economic nations combined do not have a gdp greater than the U.S., and it would take the combined gdp of the planet to usurp the economic dominance of the U.S.

1 United States 8,708,870.00
2 Japan 4,395,083.00
3 Germany 2,081,202.00
4 France 1,410,262.00
5 United Kingdom 1,373,612.00
6 Italy 1,149,958.00
7 China 1,149,814.00 (I think Hong Kong excluded)
8 Brazil 760,345.00
9 Canada 612,049.00
10 Spain 562,245.00

http://www.corporations.org/system/top100.html

 

[ss3goku]

Originally posted by Yago


1 United States 8,708,870.00
2 Japan 4,395,083.00
3 Germany 2,081,202.00
4 France 1,410,262.00
5 United Kingdom 1,373,612.00
6 Italy 1,149,958.00
7 China 1,149,814.00 (I think Hong Kong excluded)
8 Brazil 760,345.00
9 Canada 612,049.00
10 Spain 562,245.00

http://www.corporations.org/system/top100.html

Actually, China surpassed France a few weeks ago, they're climbing up, and some experts say tehy will surpass Japan soon.

 

[Yago]

Originally posted by ss3goku


Actually, China surpassed France a few weeks ago, they're climbing up, and some experts say tehy will surpass Japan soon.

Yes, that's why wondered about those numbers. It's quite possible, that they left out Hong-Kong, i.m.o. And then of course, numbers change according to the counting-system applied.

 

[Margim]

Originally posted by Thorgrimm
I also think it is only Americans that can bring down America, because like a squabbling family we may be having a knockdown dragout fight, if someone else intrudes we stand shoulder to shoulder to boot out the intruder.

I disagree. As I noted in my original post, ALL superpowers eventually decline - whether through conquest or time itself. I don't imagine the Romans ever forsaw the time that Barbarians would be dictating terms to its leaders, but it eventually happened. It would be highly unliklely in, say, 500 years time that the U.S. would still have the same vision, drive and unity that it does now. Times change.

 

[Richard III]

Those Canadians will march south and get 'em in a few hundred years.

 

[Xen]

Originally posted by Margim


I disagree. As I noted in my original post, ALL superpowers eventually decline - whether through conquest or time itself. I don't imagine the Romans ever forsaw the time that Barbarians would be dictating terms to its leaders, but it eventually happened. It would be highly unliklely in, say, 500 years time that the U.S. would still have the same vision, drive and unity that it does now. Times change.

partially because barbarians never did dicatet terms to its leaders- the thought that barbaians caused the fall of the roman empire is pure romantiscism on part of modern thought- I can garuntee you that each and every single "barbarian" had a connection with Rome politcially, if not geneogically, and though tof themselves as Romans in full.

 

[Thorgrimm]

The reason Rome fell is a purely Military one. The favorite Roman pastime was killing other Romans, do you honestly think the barbarians could have brought down Rome if they were not busy killing each other? That is what i meant by only Americans can bring down America.

Richard III That is a good one

 

[ss3goku]

I just thought of something, does this thread talk about the next super superpower? like America is now. Or a world of multi-polarity?

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Moved to OT...

 

[Eastern Knight]

It's definitely going to be China, since the growth of economy, technology, culture, power, ... etc. Since ancient worlds China was already a leading country in the world.

 

[Djarum Kretek]

Originally posted by Inter32
Let''s tke this conversation to an italian forum., and let's see what their opinions about this are...

Of course everyone here is going to be against me...you are all americans....err..excuse me US CITIZENS.

I'm not a US citizen, I'm Chinese Indonesian. The British-American alliance is only temporary. ALL political alliances are not meant to be forever, alliances are meant for temporary similar interests...

I heard that Pentagon always keep a scenario plan on how to conquer London if it needs to be done next week. On the other hand, the Brits also have a scenario plan on how to invade New York and Philadelphia if they need to do so 3 days from now... etc. etc...

As for the next Superpower... well, I don't see the US losing to any contender within MY lifetime.... but the #1 contender has to be China.

The chance of China becoming THE superpower will increase if they actually merge with Taiwan. [Hey, many people didn't foresee the West-East German reunion last time, so let's just keep an open mind on this one] Sorry if I offend any of our Taiwanese civ fans with this notion... That is not my intention, I'm just voicing my opinion of alternate futures.

I'd like to note that: if any (peaceful) unification will happen, Communism is not acceptable to the Taiwanese. The new united China has to be a brand new nation. Not the People's Republic of China and not the Republic of China. Maybe... the United States of China ...or something like that.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Originally posted by Djarum Kretek
On the other hand, the Brits also have a scenario plan on how to invade New York and Philadelphia if they need to do so 3 days from now... etc. etc...

I dont think so Theyd be outnumbered by our muggers alone. The leader of the British expedition would probably be arrested by a bored cop.

 

[zippy]

Originally posted by Dumb pothead

I dont think so Theyd be outnumbered by our muggers alone. The leader of the British expedition would probably be arrested by a bored cop.

We'd do an RoP rape by sending in our soccer hooligans first. Should clear out all the lowlifes (ours as well as yours ) Once the gangs/muggers are out of the way, your military will be a piece of cake