Originally posted by Jagdpanther
I never said that the Ju-87C was going to carry torpedoes.
look at the link with the refitted stuka...
Torpedoes are ineffective against WWI British BB's??? Or just less effective than bombs???
Right, torpedoes had been a bunch of Cra* during WWI; they had been greatly improved since then- the chances of a surface weapon destroying vital party of the ship is far greater than by piercing the hull- the ship may well take a fair number of Torpedoes before it sinks-
British WWI ships were easier sunk with shells- i.e. in the era of planes just use bombs for acurate hits on a ships weapspots- those were very prominent on the top of the British WWI vessels.
And your example still makes no sense (arguing that torpedoes would have a difficult time sinking a WW1 British BB when you gave the modern WW2 BB BISMARCK as an example).
*Aaaargllldrophitfloor* *gasp* I gave the Bismarck as an example of weapon development (OF WHATEVER COUNTRY'S NAVY) at the point of view that German Admiral's had based their demands when opting for torpedos: as newly developed Ships like the Bismarck (AND those the British and Americans were building- just look at the Yamato, its superb top plating and the ammount of AA weapons it carries to understand why direct bombing would likely not have a great effect as opposed to torps)....
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Ok, I meant that he directly interfered with the Kriegsmarine less, compared to the Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe. About the supply thing, he did that to every service, not just the KM. But on that point at least, he was at fault.
Well, I don't see how U measure that, really- a ship not built and its cannons being built into the "Atlanticwall" is a ship affloat less.
Don't think in terms of the Wehrmacht branches being operated directly or separately- whatever was built, moved, commisioned was going through the offices of Hitler and Speer who then decided where to employ what- "advisors" were "consulted" only to recitate what the Führer had ordered- if they dissagreed too much they were replaced- as with Raeder and Canaris in the Navy, as Guderian and von Rundstedt in the Army, as Kesselring in the Luftwaffe.
Officers of the Wehrmacht had to "convince" Hitler as you correctly stated, but this also means that Hitler could (and did) change things as he thought fit. And after the dissaster of Stalingrad Hitler ordered dismantling the H-M lines of Battleships (2 almost operational) to build more Uboote- the guns really ended up as coastal fortifications in France- the Navy was the smallest divission in the Wehrmacht and therefore stripped of EVERYTHING that was needed for Hitler's land campaigns- including the airplanes that should have been on the Graf Zeppeling (and the ship altogether) !!!!!!!!!!!!
Z-Plan was intriguing, but the Germans needed more time. And Doenitz had no faith in it.
Also think of "No ressources" !
The page you linked conveniently omitted the fact that by the time the Graf Zeppelin was almost done, there had been prototype testing with the TB Fi-167. Its trials were very successful and the KM was pleased with its performance. In fact the testing went beyond the prototype stage and various models of the plane had been built. The page only listed information about the Ju-87C. The only reason that more Fi-167s were not built was because the Graf Zeppelin itself was scrapped. So it could be argued that the GZ WAS GOING to have both TBs and Dive bombers.
Which link? there are 4 of them I posted. Tests were carried out even with the FW-190 as with a wide array of fighter planes and STUKAS modified to carry two torpedoes (the most likey variant for use on the carrier). The Fi-167 was outdated and would have been an easy target for any fighterplane- so that is quite far fetched dont you think ??? And YES- the GZ was going to have BOTH- my god I have been telling you that from the start !!! But it was never finished - so it never DID ! Germany might have won the war and we would all be ordering our Hotdogs in German
now- it didn't happen - so for Christ sake use both Stuka TBs and StukaD Bombers and ME-109T Fighters... and even those existing planes would not be the ones to be positioned on the GZ since they were only experimenting with them- look at Japan who custom built their planes for carrier service- same the US in the Pazific fielding custom planes for this theatre (Hellcat, Thunderbolt) ONLY for this one task on carriers !!! Britain and Germany didn't have the ressources to take such a step at the time- Britain used the 30 year ol Swordfish design in need of more suitable planes...
(Hope I don't sound too pushy
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yet. Been busy writin a project, the exams, after that I took a week off, and I am revamping GNB3 for Civ2 at the moment. Some work has been continuing on the SS, though.
