Thinking

[Heretic_Cata]

@Kan' Sharuminar: I think i'll do that.
But i have no idea what genre the story would be... Would it be SF, Fantasy, Horror, funny, depressing, morbid, mental landscape...

What you are describing is known as 'hypohondria'. Hypohondria is the state where a person is of the view that he is suffering probably from a serious illness, when in reality he is just under a lot of stress.

That does sound like what i have.

You cannot really say that there is any way of thinking, or any particular thought, which is 'normal'. Being focused on thoughts which make you happy/are interesting to you, is the ultimate goal i think, but at the same time it is very usefull to try to examine the origin of the less positive thoughts.

Nowadays i do get that feeling (sometimes), that i had when i was depressed, the feeling when nothing seems intresting anymore. It is not as dreadfull as it was then, but i feel "less" intrest.
The origins are quite clear.

Why not write a long essay about how you view your relations with other people, including your parents?

Errr ... no. I explained that to Narz in the thread about suicide. I can't write those things down.
And about my relation with other people ... I'm not sure i should try that ... but i don't think i'd know what to write...

Others:
1.How I am doing in my life based on virtues. (I am religious though and try to regularly evaluate my actions.)
2.This probably ties in with sometimes viewing nature and mankinds role and thinking about how the two work opposing one another and with one another.
3.I imagine what I would do if faced with delimmas. This one does not happen often. Only when a delimma makes itself known to me that I had never considered before.
4.Evaluate relationships I have with people I know. I try to see where the relationship is going or what is a problem there if any. Sometimes this will lead to old memories I had forgotten about that seem "happy thoughts" I try to see where I could improve or prioritize that relationship. BTW relationship here means friends, relatives, and the like.

1. I am religious too (not in the normal sense of the term tho ) , what virtues exactly ? (but i think i am not doing very well in that area tho ...)
2. IIRC i thought of that a while ago. It ended with the conclusion that "Humans Suck". But i know that not all are like that.
3. Could i have some examples ?
4. I don't know about that ... but i usually think about that all the time when i am with them. I think paranoia butts in when i am socializing without me realising it. I am extremley "analitical" about my friends. I always analize everybody without even trying to do so ... but i never say my thoughts to them (or anyone for that matter). And yes i do analize them in a negative view, thinking about their weaknesses and secrets, but i never gossip about those things or anything ... they are just random thoughts.
But i might give this thing a shot tho ...

@Paradigne & Sidhe: I would like that too ... but i can't for the same reason why i can't go to a psychologist. But i am going to take a book i saw at the library about breathing corectly. Since i have asthma i should look into it.
Btw, i just noticed that my chest isn't even moving when i breathe. Well, it moves a bit. I thought of this when i read smthing about bad breathing in Evangelisti's book.

@Cheezy the Wiz: I used to think of fictive conversations when i was fighting insomnia. But it doesn't seem to be working anymore ...
(like i asked King Flevance) Some examples would be nice.
Arguing with atheists and catholic priests come to mind ... i tried imagineing a situation last time, but i didn't have any ideas... That's why i am asking for examples.

 

[Kan' Sharuminar]

@Kan' Sharuminar: I think i'll do that.
But i have no idea what genre the story would be... Would it be SF, Fantasy, Horror, funny, depressing, morbid, mental landscape...

That's my point though. Just struggle against that start and see where it takes you. Don't worry about genre or style, just sit down and battle out the early chapters and hopefully you'll have yourself a grand time.

 

[Dionysius]

Heretic Cata;
if you have trouble clearing your mind, i suggest listening to music on the headphones, loud enough so you cant quite hear your own thoughts.
visualise the bars and charts of the rhythms you are hearing, and
you`ll have a hard time thinking neagative.
this might not have been particularly helpful,
but i thought i`d get my word in.

 

[Kyriakos]

Is it hypochondria?

You are absolutely right

In greek there is no 'ch', but a greek 'x' which produces the same sound as the english 'h' in words such as 'holiday'. Which is how i forgot to include the c before it

 

[Evil Tyrant]

Whenever I am feeling depressed or panicky, I like to listen to music, and usually play a single song on repeat. I find it calms me and the constant repeat of a single tune imparts a sense of order and regularity. It probably sounds dumb, but that is what I do.

 

[King Flevance]

1. I am religious too (not in the normal sense of the term tho ) , what virtues exactly ? (but i think i am not doing very well in that area tho ...)
2. IIRC i thought of that a while ago. It ended with the conclusion that "Humans Suck". But i know that not all are like that.
3. Could i have some examples ?
4. I don't know about that ... but i usually think about that all the time when i am with them. I think paranoia butts in when i am socializing without me realising it. I am extremley "analitical" about my friends. I always analize everybody without even trying to do so ... but i never say my thoughts to them (or anyone for that matter). And yes i do analize them in a negative view, thinking about their weaknesses and secrets, but i never gossip about those things or anything ... they are just random thoughts.
But i might give this thing a shot tho ...

1. My main ones I focus on are diligence, patience, temperance, and humility. I have a hard time deciding when to exercise humility vs. pride. The other ones fall in a second place to that one by a small amount only. I believe exercising virtues is a permanent state of mind to execute it all the time. So, I this means defining them so that you know exactly what counts as something that is patience. What I mean by that is obviously waiting for a long time is exercising patience, but waiting literally forever for something is futile and actually is naive. (I am a big fan of Socrates writing on defining virtues.)
2. In an overall aspect, yes we do suck. But what I mean is I try and see if I can start from scratch and think of a way that humans could have worked together better forming a society that was more based off of nature. I firmly believe that the fall of the barter system was one of the biggest falls of society as a whole. However, at the same time, I have found that ownership - to a degree - is neccessary. Including land.
3. This one is the most challenging. It is not about what you think you would do, what you would like to do, but what you WOULD do in a scenario. A gun is pointed at a family members head by an unknown person. You have a gun in yours as well. How does this scenario end. Initially, I thought I would kill this guy. But here I found that my religion plays a role. I could not kill this man in fear of wrath brought upon me by God. I could shoot him all over the legs and hands, but could not kill him. I would in fact pray for my family member in question at that time and ask for guidance. If he shot them in front of me, I would empty the gun in his limbs trying to make him a quadroplegic(sp?) and probably dying myself in the process. But I would not fear that moment upon judgement. Basically extreme situations. Like I said, its honestly hard to make sure you know exactly what you would do but when you do you know. Hopefully, these scenarios will never arise but you know a little more about yourself after realising it.
4. Usually, when I am with someone I am friends with or with family I just act normally and don't give much thought to it much. I use "quiet time" to reflect on these relationships and actions that have taken place with them. A good example of this is a friend of mine claimed I had gave him something of alot of value. I know I did not. But he claims I said I did. Now, only he and I know the truth behind it and we both know I did not. Everyone else I know doesn't really pay it much attention because they do not know who to believe. At the time, I had 2 options. 1 was to end the friendship and the other one was to not end the friendship in haste but instead forgive him for doing this. He was forgiven, but I have never forgot about it thus now have a friend that I do not trust. I have known him for the majority of my life. I constantly think about it if it is worth having a friend you cannot trust.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

Heretic Cata;
if you have trouble clearing your mind, i suggest listening to music on the headphones, loud enough so you cant quite hear your own thoughts.
visualise the bars and charts of the rhythms you are hearing, and
you`ll have a hard time thinking neagative.
this might not have been particularly helpful,
but i thought i`d get my word in.

True, but that's not very good for the ear drums tho. Especially on the long run.

Whenever I am feeling depressed or panicky, I like to listen to music, and usually play a single song on repeat. I find it calms me and the constant repeat of a single tune imparts a sense of order and regularity. It probably sounds dumb, but that is what I do.

It doesn't sound dumb. The only problem that i can think of about this that i might get fed up with the respective song and never want to hear it again.
But i may try it with a song no one can get bored of : this one.

1. My main ones I focus on are diligence, patience, temperance, and humility. I have a hard time deciding when to exercise humility vs. pride. The other ones fall in a second place to that one by a small amount only. I believe exercising virtues is a permanent state of mind to execute it all the time. So, I this means defining them so that you know exactly what counts as something that is patience. What I mean by that is obviously waiting for a long time is exercising patience, but waiting literally forever for something is futile and actually is naive. (I am a big fan of Socrates writing on defining virtues.)

Diligence - i mostly don't have that.
Pactience - i think i am too patient. I was even told so on several ocasions.
Temperance - i never lost my temper (ever), i am calm & patient even when i am drunk. I am one of those people that you have to struggle really hard to make them loose their temper.
Humility - i don't have that much pride in me, so no problems here.
It seems that i am involuntarely exercising virtues.

2. In an overall aspect, yes we do suck. But what I mean is I try and see if I can start from scratch and think of a way that humans could have worked together better forming a society that was more based off of nature. I firmly believe that the fall of the barter system was one of the biggest falls of society as a whole. However, at the same time, I have found that ownership - to a degree - is neccessary. Including land.

When you put it like that it does sonund more intresting. I'll try this too.

3. This one is the most challenging. It is not about what you think you would do, what you would like to do, but what you WOULD do in a scenario. A gun is pointed at a family members head by an unknown person. You have a gun in yours as well. How does this scenario end. Initially, I thought I would kill this guy. But here I found that my religion plays a role. I could not kill this man in fear of wrath brought upon me by God. I could shoot him all over the legs and hands, but could not kill him. I would in fact pray for my family member in question at that time and ask for guidance. If he shot them in front of me, I would empty the gun in his limbs trying to make him a quadroplegic(sp?) and probably dying myself in the process. But I would not fear that moment upon judgement. Basically extreme situations. Like I said, its honestly hard to make sure you know exactly what you would do but when you do you know. Hopefully, these scenarios will never arise but you know a little more about yourself after realising it.

Strangley enough, whenever i thought of a situation i didn't give much thought to what i WOULD DO.
But in that specific situation, if i had a clear shot i would definetly shoot to kill. I am religious too, but like i said, in a strange personal kind of way. So i wouldn't feel any remorse at all.

4. Usually, when I am with someone I am friends with or with family I just act normally and don't give much thought to it much. I use "quiet time" to reflect on these relationships and actions that have taken place with them. A good example of this is a friend of mine claimed I had gave him something of alot of value. I know I did not. But he claims I said I did. Now, only he and I know the truth behind it and we both know I did not. Everyone else I know doesn't really pay it much attention because they do not know who to believe. At the time, I had 2 options. 1 was to end the friendship and the other one was to not end the friendship in haste but instead forgive him for doing this. He was forgiven, but I have never forgot about it thus now have a friend that I do not trust. I have known him for the majority of my life. I constantly think about it if it is worth having a friend you cannot trust.

I involuntarely do that on the spot. And i also usually forgive and remember. Probably because i don't have the luxury to consider getting rid of friends around me. But i always remember what they did. And i always try and figure out the reasons for it. If it would have been normal for him/her to do that, if he would have a plausible reason for it, or if it is just hatred. And even if it is hatred, i like to keep my enemys close.

 

[King Flevance]

I involuntarely do that on the spot. And i also usually forgive and remember. Probably because i don't have the luxury to consider getting rid of friends around me. But i always remember what they did. And i always try and figure out the reasons for it. If it would have been normal for him/her to do that, if he would have a plausible reason for it, or if it is just hatred. And even if it is hatred, i like to keep my enemys close.

This is the hard part. Also probably sums it up the best. But the reason that I am real cautious on acts like this is because trying to guess why someone did what they did is judging them - for better or worse. SO I try and make sure I have all the facts I can figure in. My particular case seems to bounce around alot. I think I understand it, but I can't ever seem to "put a pin in it". But if I understood it 100% I would do the same type of actions.

 

[Narz]

Hey Cata, in those moments when I am not in any particular distress I aim to focus on my goals. Even if just the goal to get up and stretch and try to touch my toes. If I recognize a problem I try to think of how to solve it rather than wonder "why is this happening to me?". Basically I aim to acknowledge all but keep my focus positive (what can I start that is positive vs. how can I stop what is negative). Keep at this over and over again and eventually you will make progress.

Try to develop Pronoia!

Good luck!

 

[GenMarshall]

My mind goes a hundred miles a minute. So realy I dont have time to think unless I force myself too. Especialy if it comes to philosophical stuff.