Those damn..NETHERLANDS's declared war on turn ~20

[Shadow Phoenix]

In this game the Netherland have placed WARRIOR in my terriotory.
I asked them to leave. They said that they are gonna leave(they were gracious). Next turn they raze one of my cities and declare war. Now i am lmost in the last position. PLEASE help me with this game:
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Warlord ( I know, I know)
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Conquests lates patch
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PLEASE gimem comments on this game...I feel that I did something wrong..
Please help a newbie trying to be a Control Freak

 

[YNCS]

You didn't do anything wrong. The AI saw you were weak and took advantage of it. You'd do the same to the AI if you thought you could (or at least I would).

 

[sennomulo]

First make sure your cities are well defended. Then get some good offensive units and take a couple cities, then sue for peace. Sometime later, when you have a more well-developed military, take the time to wipe them off the map in revenge. It will feel good.

 

[TriangleMan]

highly atypical of the AI to do that. You got unlucky. Did nothing wrong. Try again.

 

[tR1cKy]

Well, you DID something wrong. You left your city undefended.
When AS see an undefended town, they are very likely to move on it, regardless of their attitude toward you. Anyway, i think you have already learned the lesson...

 

[cidknee]

always always always always have at least something in the city for defence....

 

[Chazbagel]

Because the Neterlands are superior to all

 

[jb1964]

Don't abandon this game. Coming from behind will be much more satisfying.

I didn't think the Dutch were that agressive. Any militaristic AI would jump on an undefended city in a heartbeat.

Played a SG once where a hut popped us a city, not a settler, right next to Germany. I thought my teammates had actually put the city there for some unknown reason and I tried to keep it. Tried. Well, the Germans thought otherwise and so at the beginning of the game (Emperor I think) we (Americans) were at war. After being beaten down to a lone warrior in our capitol we got peace.

I don't think the Germans ever made it into the Industrial age. We, however, won the game despite a horrible start.

 

[vmxa]

PLEASE gimem comments on this game...I feel that I did something wrong..
Please help a newbie trying to be a Control Freak

I did not find the town that was razed. I do see a number of problems.

Smolensk a workier is roading a grass tile, while you have a spice next to it not roaded? Why do you have two forest not chopped to have speed up the temple?

St. Pete was allowed to go into disorder??? It is building the FP. I would not build a very long term structure with no temple, it is just asking for disorder or use of entertainers or slider. These may be avoided with a temple.

Why build the FP there anyway, it is next to the capitol. Do you plan a jump?

Yaroslovl building a granary and it has no food?

Postol has a granary and is making spears with no barracks. It has no temple either. I would not be in a rush to get a granary in a low food city. Better it should make workers.

Yakotrnburg (sp) has no mines and is making swords. If it had a few mines they would finsih much faster.

Gems in sight, get a town founded and connected.

Furs under Yak, but not connected.

Horses under O, get that harbor so you can start building horses.

BIG SIN only three workers with 9 cities. This is what is crippling your game. You cannot get the most out of the empire without workers.

Most of the items listed would have been resolved with say 10 workers, instead of 3.

 

[Shadow Phoenix]

THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That posts really explaiend to me what do I need to change.
And I have rebuild the city that was razed, just check out the replay.
And i know that i DEFINATLY dont have enough workers, because I am so trying to get settlers and some defence versus barbarians( killed 2 settlers + 2 scouts) and Netherlands.
But I will try to get as many workers as possible. I usually have 2 workers per city, but in this game I was forced to create military when I only had THREE cities. sually I would have had 20 workers by now, and everything would be good and sound, but those netherlands just RUINED for me.
Anyway, I am playing this game Multi-player with a friend( he is playing Indian). Usually I have 2x his cities(because I get settlers like all the time) but in this game....
I'll post a screenshot when I can.

 

[vmxa]

I am not an expert on small maps as I only played one game on that size and it was played on an easy level like emperor.

It does seem to me that with a pangea or contients, you should get aggressive and end the game quickly with force. I would be inclined to do less research and make more troops to roll over civs.

 

[vmxa]

Barbs shhould be a snap at warlord you have a 400 vs barbs, but you do need an escort for settlers, if they are going outside of your borders. I play at sid and barbs are killers there.

Also I always use wait at end of turn. You need to be able to verify that you have left nothing undone or exposed. I would switch FP to temple, after tech done drop research way down and use the slider a bit and turn those entertainers to workers. Switch a few other builds, one I switched to a settler.

 

[Shadow Phoenix]

Everybody...hold your breath....
I have tried to follow all of your suggestions and... here is my CONTINUED play...
SAve and JPG posted....notice 30 workers running around... notice my HUGE research lead plus, notice my 2 city walled vs those netherlands and me even building TReBUCHETS!!!!! Soon enough.... I'LL TEACH THEM A LESSON!

 

[Shadow Phoenix]

OMG We decided to do a peace AND THE NEXT TURN THEY DECLARED WAR AGAIN.

 

[Aleph-Null]

next time **** like that happens load your last turn from your autosave and replay it.

 

[vmxa]

OMG We decided to do a peace AND THE NEXT TURN THEY DECLARED WAR AGAIN.

Do not reload, that is not fair and anyway you are in an MP game right? The thing to do (without looking at the save) is to be prepared for them. Not to be weak compared to them and then defend if they come.

 

[homeyg]

next time **** like that happens load your last turn from your autosave and replay it.

Absolutely not! Don't get into the habit of doing that.

 

[Shadow Phoenix]

But I really dont care if they attack me or not, its the War Wearness I am worried about, since they jsut send 3 archers every 20 moves or so.
But is there ANYTHING wrong with the new SAVE?

 

[vmxa]

BTW you have no lux hooked up. I see gems not roaded and the incense is about to be done.

Are you playing two or more civs in this game?

What is the deal with the Roman archer next tp your town? Did it come straight for it or from some other direction? That would be a concern to me, unless I knew they were heading some place else.

Barbs are near Kronos, so you may need to send an phant over to deal with them.

During any war with the Dutch, I would have captured the Hauge for sure and gotten that spice.

Watch out for Engaland and the HG. It wil be done in 6 turns and you are wasting your time building, unless it is meant as a place holder. I don't see anything you could switch to at that time though.

 

[douche_bag]

ai civs do this to me all the time. I had an undefended city on a different continent and the japanese loaded a bunch of troops into a ship and raided it, the city had a population of 7 and it was too far into iroquois territory for me to send defenses there.
The japanese were cautious towards me and that jerk hiawatha woudnt accept an rop.