TNT Files - Term 5

[fe3333au]

proposing to add something like this ...

We were wondering and this is only if you agree, that since we may be soon exchanging blows with KISS, we would very much like a little more time to bolster our defences. We were therefore wondering if you would consider stalling the trade for a number of turns, during which you could totally switch research off and watch the gold accumulate. However if you are eager to trade and do not want to wait, well that is acceptible to us as well, we are at your service.

 

[gbno1fan]

This may be a really dumb question, but how will KISS know if we are in the MA if they can't see us and no one tells them?

Also, if it takes them a number of moves to even get in position to attack, how can we be certain that them being pissed off at us about construction will even speed up the attack? Essentially, if they're planning on attacking in 10 turns and it takes 10 turns to get to us, it doesn't matter if they find something out. They're already on their way.

 

[azzaman333]

Maybe we should make a proposal to TNT to trade the MA techs we pick up from our trait? I personally think it would be a great idea to make this deal before either of us enters the MA, just to add to the excitement of entering a new age. And im feeling lucky about what we are going to get.

 

[peter grimes]

As posted in the Defense thread, KISS already has units that threaten our jungllux towns. There is at least one warrior in the incense town, and at least one in the dyetown. There is the possibility of a GS in the dyetown as well. He was last seen near our warrior in the northwest, on turn 81. He could be in the town by now.

Those are just the units that we have seen. We haven't had a unit intersect their reinforcement paths since around turn 70, so there is a lot that they could have brought down in that time.

 

[Chamnix]

This may be a really dumb question, but how will KISS know if we are in the MA if they can't see us and no one tells them?

The easiest way is the leaderheads change with the change of the age. Also, the massive barbarian uprising will be triggered, and they could tell from checking tech prices in F6 that someone learned Construction.

 

[peter grimes]

Has anything been sent?.... I think there is some urgency to heading off KISS, and we should send something immediately.

 

[General_W]

This may be a really dumb question, but how will KISS know if we are in the MA if they can't see us and no one tells them?

The easiest way - imo - is to just notice that the way the cities look has changed!

Maybe we should make a proposal to TNT to trade the MA techs we pick up from our trait? I personally think it would be a great idea to make this deal before either of us enters the MA, just to add to the excitement of entering a new age. And im feeling lucky about what we are going to get.

This is already a part of our proposed deal that we will be sending to TNT very soon. (proposed letter on the previous page of this thread)

Has anything been sent?.... I think there is some urgency to heading off KISS, and we should send something immediately.

I agree - but Fe told me in a chat that he intends to send the letter to TNT before we pass on the next save. Since TNT said they have 2 turns to go before getting Construct, this should be in time to cut-off any KISS nonsense.

 

[fe3333au]

This will be sent ... just looking at it for final tweek.



Sent via e-mail to TNT g-mail account and PMed to greekguy and Donsig.

Teams of Science United

Hail Donsig son of Donsig

I trust the first Donsig met death with honour while taking some of his enemy with him into Death's embrace.


What once was entered into

First some history and you may already have suspected that, we had entered an agreement with KISS sometime ago. A sharing of research focus, they would supply Republic while we would research other technologies. Once completed KISS would swap Republic for all what we had learnt during the mutual research period. There was then an understanding that the remaining technologies would be divided between us to research and then swap. Unfortunately being an honourable people we were bound to this as we had signed the Agreement.

Bound by honour, even when we found that they had slowed their research to barely ticking over at 10% while ours was running at a gold deficit at 90%, even when the relationship strained when they expected us to supply knowledge prior to Republic being swapped, even when we ended up accumulating all technologies except Construction and Monarchy and were expected to supply all these for one technology for no extra compensation. KISS consistently abused our relationship, yet our honour required that we see our word through to the end.

Now, we have swapped recently accumulated technologies, which ended up being a deal very much in KISS' favour. The deal ended up giving them time to accumulate much gold, to establish embassies and to prepare for Republic which due to their trait, can be installed with little anarchy. We deeply regret giving them this edge, but could see no honourable way out.

So now the mystery of KISS acquiring Currency and Horseback Riding has been solved. Please trust us that we wanted this to happen even less than you did!


An Issue of Timing

We were wondering and this is only if you agree, that since we may be soon exchanging blows with KISS, we would very much like a little more time to bolster our defences. Even though we have a standing agreement to give a 10 turn grace period prior to the calling and commencement of hostile action, we no longer feel that we can trust KISS to adhere to this gentleman's agreement. We were therefore wondering if you would consider stalling the trade for a number of turns, during which you could totally switch research off and watch the gold accumulate.

However if you are eager to trade and do not wish to wait, that is acceptable to us and the swap shall commence at your call, we are at your service.


The Deal of the Century

However, those dark days are behind us, and we believe a bright new day is dawning for both our peoples!

Now that we can honourably abandon our dealings with KISS, we are free to enter a grand Alliance where those with the scientific trait cooperate.

We believe we both have much to gain from each other. To foster trust and illustrate this point, we sent in the previous note data on relative military strengths obtained from the Pophead. We shall share the resulting information when we have the opportunity.

We offer you all of our technologies! (This includes everything you will need to advance into the Middle Ages, AND Republic) In exchange, we would only like you to give us Construction.


On to the Next Age ... Great men of Science unite

Then, as both our great Empires enter the next era together, we agree to swap our Free Middle Ages technologies.

Naturally, we will not trade any of this knowledge to Dnuts or KISS, and would expect you to do the same – although, what would they give either of us anyway?? We will be the two most knowledgeable people on this world! Think of the glory!


Help to ensure Two Free Technologies

We are trying to ensure we get different free Middle Age technologies – and would appreciate your input. We will send you this plan as soon as we hear from you about our proposed Scientific Alliance.


Sharpening of Swords

As relating to Military Matters – We won't expect you to aid us in our coming war with KISS, unless you want a piece of the action? In which case we would welcome the help. Naturally, war on our border will prevent us from aiding you against the Dnuts in any very helpful ways, aside from helping you jump way ahead in the tech race! However, we believe all future joint military actions can be negotiated. Neither side has to promise anything at this stage.

If peace with the Dnuts falls through, we have a warrior wandering peacefully your continent. We are respecting all cultural barriers, however we have seen things and if you direct us, we could be an extra eye for your campaign.



Let us know soon what your thoughts are ... we are happy to change any part of the arrangement to suit your needs.

This is the perfect opportunity for both our peoples to leap ahead and become the dominant powers of this world!


Regards

Feaurius III
Foreign Minister MIA.

 

[fe3333au]

Reply from TNT

Greeting Minister Feaurius!

Your message is well recieved and is being read to my people. It is my hope that you will have a more substantial reply very soon!

signed
donsig II

Initial reaction to this luke warm missive was NO GOOD and PASS the ANTACID MEDICATION !!! ... I NOW HAVE AN ULCER !!! ...

Then I realised that Donsig was merely informing us of receipt of correspondence ... Please do not read anything more into it guys

 

[peter grimes]

I can see how it is easily misread to mean the opposite

I'm glad we got the letter off quickly. I think it shows how serious we are about an alliance.

Yes, even I am now convinced that it is in MIA's interest to partner with those fools. It was really General W's elegant exposition that did it.

 

[fe3333au]

Ooops sorry wrong thread ... too mant windows open

 

[fe3333au]

Just a late epiphany ... don't worry I cleaned up after myself

We should simply have offer to match anything KISS brought to the table, added with the free MA Technology.

That way ... we may not have had to throw ALL our hard earned knowledge at TNT ... ka sara

 

[peter grimes]

I disagree. We want their Free MA tech ASAP. The only way to get that is to gift them into the Middle Ages.

Without that tech, we will only be 2 techs ahead of KISS, and with our extended anarchy, that gap may close quickly.

A three tech cushion is more desirable, and worth the 'cost' of the gifting.

 

[gbno1fan]

I think we've done well with TNT so far. I don't see how they could even consider not taking this deal.

 

[Chamnix]

Since we were fortunate enough to draw only 5 turns of anarchy, we do not want to delay the proposed Construction trade at all. I'm still not at all sure why we asked for that, but now it is clear we want Construction ASAP if TNT is willing to trade with us.

 

[fe3333au]

Wrong thread but ...



Praise Meleet ... 5 turns of Anarchy




I honour the occasion with the traditional MIA warrior salute.

Go Team !!!

 

[Chamnix]

I do not think there is any way to prevent TNT and MIA from getting the same MA tech. I have attached a test file. The problem is the 2 teams have to trade AA techs. Team A accepts first. Team B accepts and gets a free MA tech. However, they cannot even put that free tech on the table to Team A on that turn, much less send with accept. Team A then gets their free tech, and it could be the same as Team B.

We'll just have to hope we get lucky and get different techs (even assuming trades Construction to us).

EDIT - But wait, I may have just found something... pending further investigation....

EDIT 2 - No, I didn't find anything. For a second I thought it might matter which player in the turn order accepted first, but I don't think it does. I think Team A can put their tech on the table sometimes, but only if it is different from the tech Team B was already assigned.

I'm back to thinking it is not possible - if anyone else wants to play around and see if he can discover something, go ahead.

 

[peter grimes]

Well, I guess it's time for all of us to make a donation to the RNG enlightenment center.

Maybe we should start another Psychic poll for the TNT and MIA free tech?

 

[classical_hero]

We have just recieved this from TNT.

Dear MIA,

We are delighted to hear that you would like to form a Scientific Alliance with us. Our people have always discussed internaly about using our Scientific trait to its advantage...this would definitely accomplish that! My people are more than eager to agree to this Alliance of the Intelligent with such brillant people such as yourselves. With the combined knowledge of our peoples, we would be the most powerful civilizations on the planet!

Concerning your proposed trade deal of all Ancient Age techs (excluding Monarchy) in exchange for Construction (that is the deal, correct?), we would gladly accept. My people, however, are curious about why you wish to hold off on this trade deal. Also, how long do you wish to wait until we swap technologies? Of course the condition of not trading to D'Nuts or KISS will be held. Although, we have one small request. For our people to maximize our brains, we need to build buildings which store books. We believe they are called libraries. We kindly ask of you to gift us Literature now, with the condition the trade deal will go as planned, once we discover Construction in 2 turns or later if you wish to postpone the main part of the trade. In return we are willing to help you out with an immediate loan of 60 gold. This amount can be paid back when the main construction deal is completed. (You are invited to sugest other methods of making repayment.) We hope this preliminary deal is satisfactory. We hope this request can be met.

News of the Iroqi War is, as you know, not good. Our troops are being killed by unfortunate RNG luck, and the war has come to a standstill. We will continue to try to fight off D'Nuts, but any hopes of conquering them in the near future have been brutualy squashed. Currently we are trying to make peace with the Iroqi, but they have been unwilling to concede to our demands. (They won't even accept donsig using the title "Grand Vizeer of the Ironic and Iroqi people ) One question we have for you regarding the war is the location of your scouting warrior. If you could tell us its general location on our continent, it would greatly aid us in this war.

Good bye for now.

greekguy, TNT Greek Ambassador

 

[Chamnix]

No need to hold off on Construction - we can put all our techs on the table next turn. They should have Construction the following turn, right? Let's get them something to sign before they change their minds...