TNT Files - Term 5

[fe3333au]

Well from what Nuts are saying the TNT will be at war for a long time ... therefore we we be both at a war footing ...

Plan B ... we research Chivalry in 17 turns and then swap ... at least we know how things will be going ...

 

[General_W]

I really think this is ok... maybe good even!

Let them get Engineering while we get Chivalry. We'll just trade and pretend like the Great Library isn't a threat.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Dnuts get the Great Library... less trading options for KISS.
(And if KISS wastes all those shields on the GL - then that makes capturing and holding their center towns all that much easier.)

So lets just trade whatever with TNT, and forget about the Great Library.
(at least that's my 2 cents)

 

[fe3333au]

Let TNT continue with Engineering ...

We will study Chivalry and can get it in 17 turns ... I'd really like this to be finalised or at least agreed to in a smart manner ... as I want to see if TNT will swap Engineering for Chivalry ... and to confirm our understanding that we are good for them to go with their present path.

Later we can take the initiative as our research programme will definitely be stronger.

 

[fe3333au]

How about this as a draft ... TNT complete Engineering (36/1080) in 20 Turns ... we do the Chivalry 32(960).

Hail donsig II
Grand Vizier of the Ironic and Iroqi Peoples

You misunderstood the Great Library neutralising plan - the whole point was that someone had to research to Education and since you were confident of peace, TNT was the logical choice.

For the plan to work, you would gift us Education once researched, which would automatically be sent to the other team and hence shutdown the Great Library The next turn, after the threat was gone, we would have given our technologies The plan was designed to limit the Middle Age knowledge that the Great Library gave to the other team. We also thought that since you were suing for peace, that you would have less use for military technology, a rational choice considering our crumbling neighbourly environment with KISS.

However since you are concerned that peace will be unlikely in your situation ... we propose that you continue with Engineering and that we research Chivalry and then in 20 turns, we swap ... the faster research team would then go for Invention.

We may both soon have use of additional military options that these technologies open.

May peace and rationality reign ... if not let the cold logic of science win through


Regards

Feaurius III
Foreign Minister

If they do not go for this ... is anyone interested in persuing a relationship with Nuts ???

I thought is rude that they did not wait for our responce considering that they knew already that we were going for Engineering ... the previous letter said thay were eager for peace ... they seem a bit too fickle ... we need someone that shares our vision

 

[peter grimes]

I think we should drop talk about swapping for the time being. Maybe just say something like: Depending on the situation with the Great Library, we will swap.

Let them get Engineering while we get Chivalry. We'll just trade and pretend like the Great Library isn't a threat.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Dnuts get the Great Library... less trading options for KISS.
(And if KISS wastes all those shields on the GL - then that makes capturing and holding their center towns all that much easier.)

Would you still feel the same way if we got a notice at the beginning of our next turn that "The Celts have undertaken a Great Project!..."? One turn after the war starts, KISS would have feudalism, construction, and monotheism.

There would be no more tech lead. I'm still worried about the Great Library, clearly.

 

[fe3333au]

So would you suggest that after Chivalry ... we go for Education so long as we have a written understanding with TNT that we swap once the Great Library is neutralised ??

 

[Chamnix]

I agree with fe3333au's original letter. If KISS completes the Great Library, then I think instead of 20 GS, we will be facing at most 15 - I hope they build it.

 

[General_W]

Would you still feel the same way if we got a notice at the beginning of our next turn that "The Celts have undertaken a Great Project!..."? One turn after the war starts, KISS would have feudalism, construction, and monotheism.

There would be no more tech lead. I'm still worried about the Great Library, clearly.

I'm not saying it wouldn't be a bummer if KISS get's the Great Library - it would certainly be downer! However - if they get it that soon... there's nothing we can do about it anyway!
And, all things considered... I'd rather have a 5-10 Gallic Sword head-start on KISS in the military department anyway. They'll still have to upgrade and build the new units, then move them to the front - and by 104 we'll already have our advanced military in place at the front.
The Great Library just shortens our tech lead, it dosn't eliminate it.

 

[fe3333au]

I would like to send it ... I am up for 1 hour-ish more ... and will send then

 

[Chamnix]

I am frustrated by their casual brush-off of their danger - maybe at some point we should be more specific and include a link to the Military Advisor article. Something along the lines of

Although we recognize that you are a proud people, since you are our best friends, we are concerned that you are underestimating your peril. If we assume that Dnuts' military consist entirely of veteran mounted warriors, our military advisor indicates that they must have at least XX of them, and there is no way of knowing how many more they have. While we appreciate that defending is easier than attacking, and your brave soldiers will cause severe casualties should they venture into your boundaries, are you certain that you would be able to repel a forceful invasion of that many Dnuts?

It probably won't work, and then we can fall back on:

Stop building tombs and libraries and build some freakin' military before you get wiped off the map, you morons.

but does anyone else think we should try?

It doesn't have to go in the current letter, since we want to get that one off, and we need to calculate the number of Mounties Dnuts have, but it is something to think about for the future.

 

[peter grimes]

Send away, as far as I'm concerned. My fears have been laid to rest (I hope).

 

[General_W]

Yeah - send away Fe!

And I agree with Chamnix - we probably want to bring up the peril TNT faces more specifically with them later.

 

[fe3333au]

Chamnix you hit it on the head there buddy ...

I am beginning to really think that if they reject our latest plan ... then we should join and try to cozy up with Nuts ... They are strong in resources and military ... and are open to discussions.

Anyway I have sent the letter ... Unfortunately, I don't think that the lesson in survival will help any ... and certainly better in a chat environment.

Title - Research Plan

Hail donsig II
Grand Vizier of the Ironic and Iroqi Peoples

You misunderstood the Great Library neutralising plan - the whole point was that someone had to research to Education and since you were confident of peace, TNT was the logical choice.

For the plan to work, you would gift us Education once researched, which would automatically be sent to the other team and hence shutdown the Great Library The next turn, after the threat was gone, we would have given our technologies The plan was designed to limit the Middle Age knowledge that the Great Library gave to the other team. We also thought that since you were suing for peace, that you would have less use for military technology, a rational choice considering our crumbling neighbourly environment with KISS.

However since you are concerned that peace will be unlikely in your situation ... we propose that you continue with Engineering and that we research Chivalry and then in 20 turns, we swap ... the faster research team would then go for Invention.

We may both soon have use of additional military options that these technologies open.

May peace and rationality reign ... if not let the cold logic of science win through


Regards

Feaurius III
Foreign Minister

Sent to Donsig and TNT g-mail

 

[peter grimes]

Okay Chamnix, here's the breakdown on DNUT's military:

Given that after their turn 94, they had at least 449 based on our strength.

But the smart money is based on an analysis of this:

if we were to switch to republic we would need 64gpt to maintain our military.

*For the sake of this analysis, we are treating the information as 'of high quality'. There are certainly reasons to doubt this stance, but that is not the intent of this post.

That means they would be spending upkeep on 32 units above the C3C 1.3.4 unit support in Republic.

Examining the DNUT borders on the map, I count a minimum of 9 towns.

This brings us to 41 units.

Assuming 45 points for their curragh, warriors, spearman, that we've seen, we must still account for 400 strength points.

That works out to about 20 Veteran Mounted Warriors. Each veteran is 22 points, and regulars are 16.5. So, there 'tis!

 

[fe3333au]

Pigeon Landed !!! Pigeon Landed !!!
We have News from Abroad !!!

This scroll was rolled and attached to the exhausted bird's leg

Dear MIA,

To start with, I would like to announce my triumphant return from my extensive studying from "midterms". I have completed all the tests my tutors have given me, and have done exceedingly well on all...well, all except for Geometry...not like I'm going to be an Architecht, so no worries. I will now be able to continue diplomatic coorespondence with your people for a long time to come.

Now, concerning your Great Library Neutralization plan. Our people have decided we will be willing to research Engineering in exchange for the knowledge of Chivalry. We also agree on the principle that the faster researching team will try to discover the secrets of Invention. However, we thought you should know we won't be able to discover the knowledge of Engineering for another 22 turns, so this might throw off the timing of tech trading by a turn or 2. I hope our two teams will be able to accomodate this slight discrepency between science rates.

Also, I would like to give you some news of the Iroqi War. I have some solemn news to report. Our great leader, donsig II, was killed in action by Iroqi heathens, who fought on beasts of four legs. Luckily, his bloodline still lives, and our people are now led by his descendent, donsig III. We are hoping under his leadership, peace will finally reign between the Ironic and Iroqi people. Peace talks are currently stalled and the war still slogs on. With any luck, one day D'Nuts will have all their cities in the hands of us or you, with the forces of the Alliance of Science walking through the gates of Springfield...

Good bye for now.

greekguy, TNT Greek Ambassador

they should never have named military units after their team members ... workers are enslaved and never die by human hands

We will have to welcome Donsig III

 

[fe3333au]

Just got this from the discussion about cIV MTDG ... someone asked about how teams worked ...

A member from TNT ...

yes the way it works for TNT is simply we have donsig play the game and we advise him on what to do in various threads, we have people who send letters to other teams but thats about it, donsig does that job for one team also.

and KISS replied

Everyone likes to get letters in the mail.
Maybe you guys should send us one.

and another gem from TNT responding to active numbers and KISS mentioning 20.

Team TNT has 3 daily posters and about 4 every few days posters so wouldnt get them kind of numbers

 

[peter grimes]

I saw those, too FE. Good digging

I'm really worried that TNT is so weak. If they just lost another Immortal, and haven't produced any new ones, then DNUT is more than 60% of TNT's strength. They should have the fear of God in them at this point. Yes, DNUT's supply lines may be long, but I'm pretty sure they can out-produce TNT at this point.

 

[fe3333au]

Agreed Peter ... We hear often from TNT that they want peace and that they have deals on the table ... yet Nuts claim outrageous demands ... I am wondering just WTH is going on in Battle Isle.

At this stage they are willing in 20 turns to swap Engineering, if worst comes to worst ... we can swap alliances to Nuts ... nothing has been signed yet with the TNT, so maybe we should wait and see developments.

I suspect that Nuts attack worked extremely well and peace may not be an option until a city changes hands or is razed or abandoned.

 

[peter grimes]

I think you may be right: I we were in NUTs' position, why would we sign a peace deal? We have more to gain by using the resources we've dumped into our war machine - we could pillage their producitive tiles, smash a city or two. That serves to keep TNT behind.

But I've never played against humans. I wonder what General_W's thoughts are on what a human would do in DNUT's position.

 

[fe3333au]

Classical hero once had me over his knee ... smashing everything in his path with my ever dwindling resources ... he offered peace ... but I didn't want to be his b!tch ... so I irritated him where and when I could ... even sailed my king away on a boat ... played a bit of hide and seek until I had myself killed.

Anyway ... Nut's won't stop until TNT agree to peace on Nut's terms