TNT Files Term 7 - 9

[Chamnix]

Oops - forgot about their peace offer. Their original proposed peace treaty was permanent - now greekguy is only talking 60 turns. Attacking TNT is still not in our current plans, but 60 turns is an awfully long time...

And one other thing...

We are currently rebuilding our forces and should attack the KISS cities soon.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Well, I shouldn't say it quite that strongly since I don't really know the details of what's going on there, but it seems to me that TNT needs to have a great kill ratio and attacking KISS' towns won't do that. The problem TNT could be having is that TNT might have several vulnerable points, and they don't think they can defend all of them so they need to eliminate KISS' staging ground. The best defense of course is fast-moving offensive units - IIRC TNT has lots of horsemen (unless they lost them), but horsemen are not too effective against pikes.

Chivalry would help TNT more than Invention (assuming TNT has gold to upgrade horses - at 120/horse, it would certainly be slow going). Invention on its own is relatively useless - I don't see longbows being a better value than immortals. Invention leads to Gunpowder obviously which I guess is why TNT wants it. We will tell them we will research Gunpowder for them also - it should take us about 9-10 turns .

I've lost track of where I was going with this post. I'll shut up for now...

 

[fe3333au]

It's like watching a classical Three Stooges movie

I shall send them a good for go (nice yank expression) for them to draft an official document for 60 turns of peace with the next turn intel report.

 

[fe3333au]

For TNT.

Hi TNT

Turn Report ... 134
... This is confidential and just for MIA and TNT eyes only.

Military Strengths
D-Nuts ... We have a STRONG Military
TNT ... We have an AVERAGE Military
KISS ... We have a WEAK Military
... we completed a knight

Peeking Costs
Spite - 31
Malice - 32
Auda City - 28
KISS have founded a city in our continent ... However 1 new settler unaccounted for.

Thanks for the Silk, we will be sending Invention next turn.

We agree to the 60 turns of Peace ... could you prepare the official document and I will dust off our official seal to add to the bottom of the document.

We are sincerely gladdened to hear that your recent military casualties have not set you back too much ... KISS have only 6 turns left of their Golden Age.


Sincerely MIA

The red informartion is in contention ... will await orders to leave or delete.

 

[Chamnix]

Please send a note to TNT regarding our knight. I know they said it was OK, but we should tell them we are in their territory near a (undefended) town instead of just having them find out when they open the save. Also we need instructions on where to move (or where not to move) our knight so he doesn't get in the way of their workers.

 

[peter grimes]

Regarding the letter, I maintain that we should not be telling TNT the timing and type of our military unit production.

I would be quite comfortable with a nebulous statement along these lines: This turn our military strength increased, but our relative standing to the other teams is ..... .

On turns where we don't complete any Knights, we may simply state: Our military strength is unchanged from last turn, and this affected our relative standing .....

If they feel like sending us BattleLogs, I might be more pliant

 

[fe3333au]

Changed and sent ...

Title ... Agreeable Peace

Hi TNT

Turn Report ... 134 ... This is confidential and just for MIA and TNT eyes only.

Military Strengths
D-Nuts ... We have a STRONG Military
TNT ... We have an AVERAGE Military
KISS ... We have a WEAK Military

Peeking Costs
Spite - 31
Malice - 32
Auda City - 28
KISS have founded a city in our continent
... However we also believe that they commissioned 1 new settler this turn which remains unaccounted for.

Thanks for the Silk, we will be sending Invention next turn.

We agree to the 60 turns of Peace ... could you prepare the official document and I will dust off our official seal to add to the bottom of the document.

We are sincerely gladdened to hear that your recent military casualties have not set you back too much ... KISS have only 6 turns left of their Golden Age.

DO NOT BE ALARMED ... Our Knight which is in your part of the world is moving near Shilhanopolis ... We are working under the impression that we were invited and have permission to move freely.

Sincerely MIA

 

[Chamnix]

I figure this should be posted here as well for completeness...

Sent via gmail and to donsig and greekguy via PM:

PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL

Dear Friends:

At grave risk to life and limb (Feaurius can be quite wrathful when someone else steps in on Foreign Affairs, especially when he’s been drinking), I bring you news of our mutual enemy, KISS. An hour ago, several of us received a PM from Whomp saying that they sighted our boat and that it is “in their way” and requesting that we move it. Our boat is currently located east of your harbor town of Grenadopolis(?) – there is a fish to the northwest of us and ivory 2 tiles southwest.

As of our turn, there were no KISS units in sight, but obviously they moved something in that direction on their turn. Unfortunately, we won’t know what type of units or how many until our next turn, but we wanted you to have this information before you played your current turn. Of course, this could be an elaborate feint by KISS, or they may change their plans because of our lookout, but we thought you should know.

Sincerely,

Chamnix

 

[General_W]

BAD NEWS!!!

This just in from TNT...

Thanks but it matters not. The Nutters have attacked and taken two of our cites. I've had it with this game. I've asked for an extension so we can find another turn player.

donsig
GVOTIAIP

TNT sounds doomed (not to mention being a bit poor sportish)

But maybe now it's time to draw up our attack plans against the Nutters? This may be our chance.

 

[fe3333au]

Donsig ... He should have kept it internal instead of broadcasting to the whole game.

If we are going against Nuts ... we will have to extend KISS peace first ... which would ensure one enemy only to worry about.

Nuts have chosen to ignore our message ... what do we do about it?

I'm not a warmonger, but I would hope that our words were not empty!

 

[peter grimes]

... He should have kept it internal instead of broadcasting to the whole game.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this.... did he post something in the UN?

Right now, we need to decide whether or not to follow through with our agreed-upon trade of Invention. I think we should. Everyone else has it, so we risk nothing by letting TNT have it.

I also think that a ship with a settler, a Hoplite, and a worker should set out immediately for the west coast of BattleIsle. We have nothing to lose but the investment in shields, and much to gain.

 

[fe3333au]

Donsig posted on the turn taker thread ... which is open for all players to see, while he should have kept the reasons to the TNT threads.

Let's keep all discussion to the Grand Strategy thread or we will get confused.

 

[General_W]

I know Donsig is being kinda lame... but maybe we should send a quick note...

Hey Donsig - we understand how frustrated you must feel - but we're about to send you Invention, and we're gearing up to attack the Dnuts to give you a second front.
We know it's grim, and must not be much fun at the moment... but maybe you'll consider continuing to play for the sake of the game... and for the sake of spite against KISS and the Nuts?

 

[fe3333au]

He's already made a public statement ... I doubt he is the type to take that back ... Greekguy will have to takeover

 

[classical_hero]

Dear MIA,

D'Nuts have invaded our nation this turn! They captured two of our southern jungle cities, with no losses to their forces. We can't hold out against both enemies for long. It is now obvious KISS and D'Nuts coordinated these attacks to cripple and then destroy us. Please, be an ally, and declare war on D'Nuts ASAP!! We need help and won't survive long without your aid!!

Please respond soon.

Bye for now.

greekguy, TNT Greek Ambassador

This just came in from TNT, but we already knew this.

 

[fe3333au]

Thanks Classical Hero

Well big things happening ... cross roads time

Please discuss in the Grand Strategy thread.

 

[fe3333au]

After the shocking disclosure in the Whomp chat

Draft for TNT ... i want to send soon

Sent PM to greekguy and BCLG100 ... because BCLG100 is on-line and so is Whomp, I want to plug a potential leak ... I have a Peter complex and using my finger


Title ... Urgent MIA Concerns

Hi TNT

This has been written in haste so please excuse the abruptness but I have security concerns.

I want this to be confidential between MIA and TNT ONLY !!!!

I am sorry that Donsig left in the manner he did, it seemed like a real put down on your team ... and I am really pissed off at him. Leaving a game is ok, but to exit in the manner that he did is ... poor sportsmanship to say the least!

I hope that you can find a way to continue the game.

Regarding your request for us to declare on Nuts ... at this stage I cannot answer any further questions ... for the following reasons.

I have had a chat with Whomp (he is a friend and we havn't spoken for a few months) ... anyway during the chat we naturally discussed Donsig and the ramifications of his action for this game ... I then naturally asked about the war and their plans for you ... fishing for intelegence for both our teams.

It distressed me when ... I clip and bold section of the chat.

bawhomp: i saw you gave some intel to TNT
fe3333au: what intel?
bawhomp: about our boats
fe3333au: must have been a while ago ... cos we havn't seen your boats for a while
bawhomp: last turn ... twisted aardvark
fe3333au: no we havn't ... I pretty sure noone else did either ... cos we only met you this turn ... and that is from your message about get out of our way ... In Game ... we havn't seen you yet
bawhomp: well BCLG said you told them
fe3333au: strange ...
bawhomp: it's not a big deal since we plan to settle that space ... so they can believe whatever they want ... add to their confusion
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bawhomp: i hope you weren't counting on them for research
fe3333au: we not counting on them for anything
bawhomp: right
bawhomp: if i could only tell you some of the things we've learned
fe3333au: hmmm ... if only you could
bawhomp:

This is unacceptible ... the reports that we have been sending should have been confidential
... Therefore, I would like to know exactly what has been revealed to KISS. (perhaps send us an edited chat log)

I understand that your team is under stress, however please don't do a Donsig and just give up ... or if you do, I would like that our relationship to be kept secret for this would be the fair thing to do.

In fact could you keep us in the loop as to your team's thoughts for the game's future ... it will be most unfair if the end result is for TNT to disband everything. If this is the case, we would have to discuss the fairness of this with the moderators.


Sincerely yours

MIA.

 

[fe3333au]

Responce from BCLG100

First off i can only apologise about the boat thing, it was only an offhand remark made at 2 in the morning.

Me and whomp and quite a few of KISS are friends so to send you all the logs would take awhile. I have no idea what he meant by the second thing, i do discuss a lot of things with him, many of them sowing different ideas.

Believe me, I for one do not planning on conceding the game, to highligh this ive gone and ordered a second civ3 to replace my lost one just so if no-one else will i can play out the turns.

Do you want this posted in the TNT forum where donsig still posts, morale is very low in the forum but there are a few of us who will keep playing to the last city.

There have been a couple of proposals relating to what we are going to do, attack or defend really both require your help, so will you go to war with the nutters?

This is just written personally so dont know what the rest of TNT think, however next time if there is an issue concerning me be polite and just ask me about it first there could be an adequate explanation, for this breach i am sorry but i havnt shared anything else of importance from MIA way, on a side note, you need to defend your borders, especially from KISS's side just something scoutsout let slip, apparantly they have just as many units on that border if not more than what are with us.

and

Oh and just to add, our alliance is not secret and it hasnt been for a very long time, it is plainly obvious we are working together so there is no way we can keep it secret, our trade deal in the ancient age portrayed the view to everyone that we were working together.

 

[fe3333au]

I am unsure of future relationship with TNT ... the last post needs to be explained better.

I have lost faith in TNT and their ability to be of any use other than luxuries ... I am leaning towards getting them out of the game as soon as possible.

They have become a liability and these little slips are hindering any advantage we can possibly gain in supporting them ... and getting other teams to trust us.

don't know where I'm going with this ... so will concentrate on the big picture in the Grand Plan thread.

They are very disappointing

 

[Chamnix]

on a side note, you need to defend your borders, especially from KISS's side just something scoutsout let slip, apparantly they have just as many units on that border if not more than what are with us.

They are really not all that deft with diplomacy - they ask us to declare on Nuts and at the same time, they give us a great excuse not to. I don't believe KISS will attack, but now we can (almost justifiably) claim we can't afford to remove our border guard...

 

[fe3333au]

Exellent Chamnix, I never thought or that ... very good point.