fe3333au
Deity
I'd also obviously mention the ruse to the Nut's if necessary 
TNT Files Term 7 - 9
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I think it would do no harm to mention that we are just too strapped for cash to afford to give any up. Mentioning the intent behind our spending could indeed backfire, as C_H has pointed out. However, it would do no damage to us if both DNUTs and KISS heard throught the grapevine that we are scraping the bottom of the barrel of our treasury.
Not that I think KISS would believe that at all, but it couldn't hurt.
Not that I think KISS would believe that at all, but it couldn't hurt.
fe3333au
Deity
Have sent this ... to g-mail and greekguy PM
Title ... No Gold
Title ... No Gold
Ooooh... That's harsh 
But I completely agree with every word. After all, we made ourselves very clear about the BattleLogs. They haven't been cooperative, so they will just have to die penniless.
But I completely agree with every word. After all, we made ourselves very clear about the BattleLogs. They haven't been cooperative, so they will just have to die penniless.
fe3333au
Deity
I suspect that if situation were reversed (with many if not all teams) we would not even be receiving the resources.
and as the team inputted previously, wasting cash at this juncture gives us nothing in return ... I wasn't even slightly trempted to dip into the Black Purse
and as the team inputted previously, wasting cash at this juncture gives us nothing in return ... I wasn't even slightly trempted to dip into the Black Purse
fe3333au
Deity
In lieu of TNT's taunacity holding up against the combined might of KISS and Nuts.
Does anyone else think that supporting TNT with a small ammount of cash and techs to get them into the next age is an ace we should pull from our sleave?
For it to work, we would have to time it perfectly because once Nuts get wind of things they could quite easily cut our link and iron would be impossible to supply.
Although I suspect that no-one would be looking too closely at TNT stats at this stage, which is in our favour
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Turn X ... send Theology, Gunpoweder.
Turn X + 1 ... send Education, Chemistry
Turn X + 2 ... send Astronomy
Turn X + 3 ... send Physics
Turn X + 4 ... send ToG, Magnetism
Turn X + 5 ... Free Technology
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azzaman333
meh
We should just lift them into the next age, and hope they pick up Nationalism (since KISS and Nuts are having trouble against pikes, even more trouble vs Rifles). Then swap the 2 techs gained from advancing into the IA.
I'd hate to say it, but TNT (although extremely frustrating at times) has been our best ally up to this point. We were borderline warring with KISS for at least 20 turns, and i wont even mention the nutcases.
I'd hate to say it, but TNT (although extremely frustrating at times) has been our best ally up to this point. We were borderline warring with KISS for at least 20 turns, and i wont even mention the nutcases.
General_W
Councilor & Merlot Noble
I totally support an attempt to gift TNT into the Industrial Age- just to mess with KISS and the Dnuts.
However - we must realize that...
a) In all likelyhood, TNT will be dead in far fewer than 6 turns.
b) in 6 turns, we will already have Steam Power - meaning there's only a 1/3 chance TNT will come up with a useful tech for us
We may be able to boost TNT's chances of survival by giving them gold... but that still seems like a waste, since it probably won't help anyway.
Really, we needed to start this plan 5 turns ago - but there was no way to know that the Dnuts would so horribly stab us in the back.
If we wanted to sink to the Dnuts level, we could ask them to let TNT live for another few turns while we try to extract their free tech - in exchange, we'll give TNT's free tech to Dnuts.
Of course, that promise will be worth the same as the Dnut promise to not trade with KISS
But even if Dnuts went for a plan like this, KISS may still kill TNT, and even if not - are we really wanting to sink to Dnuts level?
anyway - I'm just rambling now.
However - we must realize that...
a) In all likelyhood, TNT will be dead in far fewer than 6 turns.
b) in 6 turns, we will already have Steam Power - meaning there's only a 1/3 chance TNT will come up with a useful tech for us
We may be able to boost TNT's chances of survival by giving them gold... but that still seems like a waste, since it probably won't help anyway.
Really, we needed to start this plan 5 turns ago - but there was no way to know that the Dnuts would so horribly stab us in the back.
If we wanted to sink to the Dnuts level, we could ask them to let TNT live for another few turns while we try to extract their free tech - in exchange, we'll give TNT's free tech to Dnuts.
Of course, that promise will be worth the same as the Dnut promise to not trade with KISS
But even if Dnuts went for a plan like this, KISS may still kill TNT, and even if not - are we really wanting to sink to Dnuts level?
anyway - I'm just rambling now.
azzaman333
meh
We still must try. What do we have to lose?
fe3333au
Deity
Shall I sound them out ... they must surely realise that they are marking time prior to extinction at this point.
Although a possible scenario is that KISS cease hostilities and we have a 3 onto 1 game ... with TNT gaining a number of conquest cities (KISS would probably not go for this though)
Anyway I guess we will have to decide by next turn, but only after we have received word from KISS to our Nut foul play revelation letter.
Although a possible scenario is that KISS cease hostilities and we have a 3 onto 1 game ... with TNT gaining a number of conquest cities (KISS would probably not go for this though)
Anyway I guess we will have to decide by next turn, but only after we have received word from KISS to our Nut foul play revelation letter.
We make all Middle Age techs that our rivals lack cheaper for them - savings to KISS:
Banking - 222 beakers
Physics - 275 beakers
Magnetism - 291 beakers
Theory of Gravity - 291 beakers
Total savings to KISS - 1079
Dnuts also save something, but it is not clear what.
MIA has a 1/3 chance that TNT will get Nationalism to save us 3600 beakers. Those are not really great odds.
There is also the chance that TNT will backstab us.
And no, I don't think we want to stoop to Dnuts level. It is one thing to say they broke our previous deal so we are not bound by it. It is something else entirely to sign a new deal that we have absolutely no intention of following.
classical_hero
In whom I trust
Excellent analysis Mr President. TNT are a lost cause for us right now, but we can still send them some gold to them to make life more difficult for KISS and Doughnuts. This can only help us.I don't think gold is helpful to TNT right now either unless they are going to have troops disbanded for running a deficit. They are in anarchy and are most likely headed to despotism (I don't think they have Monarchy, and I hope they realize what a complete disaster Feudalism would be for them). There is nothing to spend their cash on in despotism.
gbno1fan
Emperor
I don't think it is worth it to aid TNT any further.
How hard would it be for TNT to take our techs and use them to buy survival?
We don't want our gold or techs to be wasted and/or provided to KISS and Dnuts.
How hard would it be for TNT to take our techs and use them to buy survival?
We don't want our gold or techs to be wasted and/or provided to KISS and Dnuts.
fe3333au
Deity
I agree ... but thought I'd bring it up for discussion anyway 
I'd only have pushed if we wouldn't have Steam Power by that time.
I'd only have pushed if we wouldn't have Steam Power by that time.
Just a reminder to all who want to spend gold: We don't have enough gold to accomplish our Upgrades as well as our research. We can't waste a single coin, especially on a team that should have died a few turns ago.
fe3333au
Deity
Turn 159 ... TNT Status
Anarachy, Iron trade cut, down hill slide ... I give then 2 more turns at the most.
Why has the trade line been cut ???
Anarachy, Iron trade cut, down hill slide ... I give then 2 more turns at the most.
Why has the trade line been cut ???
They may have lost a pop point due to Bombardment. I wonder who will join us? Hopefully whoever joins will take the time to go through our threads and have a great laugh
