Yes Philadelphia is most likely better.
Sorry i was wrong - it's called New Ulm if German, it's oklahoma...
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Yes Philadelphia is most likely better.
Sorry i was wrong - it's called New Ulm if German, it's oklahoma...
El Bogus
Prince
Awesome work, but:
Falkland Islands beat almost every spot in Europe?
I mean, hell yeah for the whale, but else?
Falkland Islands beat almost every spot in Europe?
I mean, hell yeah for the whale, but else?
Wait, so you optimize over food+production+commerce? That's highly impractical.
Food doesn't have much value in itself, production or commerce are rather a function of available food. So a more useful algorithm should examine the maximum value of either commerce or production given the maximum population a city can acquire.
Food doesn't have much value in itself, production or commerce are rather a function of available food. So a more useful algorithm should examine the maximum value of either commerce or production given the maximum population a city can acquire.
Thanks for your suggestions guys. The city output calculation may not work properly yet. I'll validate the results later.
I'm trying to find cities with biggest possible output, also during the process i'm placing various improvements automatically. I'm aware of that it's not completely optimal, but it's good enough for start .)
I'm trying to find cities with biggest possible output, also during the process i'm placing various improvements automatically. I'm aware of that it's not completely optimal, but it's good enough for start .)
Wessel V1
Emperor
I'd also value grassland much higher than sea. Towns are much stronger than coast tiles so obviously a grassland city in Russia is better than Korinthos. Towns simply offer the highest output per tile so it is safe to assume that as many tiles are converted to towns as possible. The question is whether to have towns over plantations, but I think it is safe to assume in this script that they shouldn't
I see what you mean, i'll try to optimize it as much as possible. Currently there are still some general glitches.
If you want check the "live" version here. It's kind of big (3.5M), please download it if you plan use it often, thanks.
Rollover the X (possible city), and you see the equation + city plots.
Colors: 0 FPC -> white, grey, blue, green, red, black <- 149 FPC
I also updated the screenshot:
If you want check the "live" version here. It's kind of big (3.5M), please download it if you plan use it often, thanks.
Rollover the X (possible city), and you see the equation + city plots.
Colors: 0 FPC -> white, grey, blue, green, red, black <- 149 FPC
I also updated the screenshot:
Spoiler :
El Bogus
Prince
Very same picture for me.
(But please don't get me wrong, I totally appreciate your work.)
(But please don't get me wrong, I totally appreciate your work.)
Akbarthegreat
Angel of Junil
Denver, Kiev, Chicago, Philly, Rome and Buenos Aires/Montevideo.
And the best food locations are Jayakarta, Lisboa, Chicago and Istanbul(6 food resources).
And some Siberian cities can produce 1 tank in 1-2 turns, you just need watermills+SP+factories+power+levee.
And the best food locations are Jayakarta, Lisboa, Chicago and Istanbul(6 food resources).
And some Siberian cities can produce 1 tank in 1-2 turns, you just need watermills+SP+factories+power+levee.
Akbarthegreat
Angel of Junil
I see what you mean, i'll try to optimize it as much as possible. Currently there are still some general glitches.
If you want check the "live" version here. It's kind of big (3.5M), please download it if you plan use it often, thanks.
Rollover the X (possible city), and you see the equation + city plots.
Colors: 0 FPC -> white, grey, blue, green, red, black <- 149 FPC
I also updated the screenshot:
Spoiler :
Checked it out, its AWESOME
Wessel V1
Emperor
I think this coming much closer to perfection.
Do you also take rivers into account? Leevees are almost a standard building in each late city and you don't want many cities not to be on a river. I think this will increase the gap between Europe and central India.
Do you also take rivers into account? Leevees are almost a standard building in each late city and you don't want many cities not to be on a river. I think this will increase the gap between Europe and central India.If you are interested, check the map now, it's basically heat map, you can switch between food / commerce / production, total fpc, and population.
Probably most important cities are those with most population, because they have huge bonus from specialists (for example big city with 43 population have 22 specialists, i'm using them as engineers / merchants 1:1, which is not ideal, but it's how it is...).
The heat map is generated for hypothetical situation, beyond the sword version with corporations, when you have all technologies (which means all bonuses from technologies), and map with all resources (some resources are dynamically placed during history, for example lot of them in america). Civics are "set" to universal suffrage, free speech, and free market giving bonuses to cottages / towns. And you have all access to all resources (strategic +1 production = 9, food +1 food = 11, +15 commerce luxuries).
I'm also assume you have 2 corporations - sid's sushi and mining and co, giving you bonus 15 foods, and 15 production, for cost 40 commerce (so you need big empire or get lot resources from foreign trade).
For each plot i'm considering if city is on coast (bonus trade routes, and sea plots food from buildings), or on river (river plots +1p), also other types of plots, like peaks, or tundras, deserts (without water resource), which doesn't produce anything etc... Also if improvements is building, on top of forest, it's "chopped" (-1 production).
Production and commerce counted with city modifiers in mind (+25% market, 25% grocer, 50% bank = +100% commerce, +25% forge, +50% factory with power). For trade routes (coastal cities have more), i assume they are all foreign and modifiers are +50% harbor +100% custom house, total number of trade routes is 2 + 1 airport + 1 corporations + 1 free market, and another 2 for coastal cities.
The map is still not perfect but i'm still updating it and considering all possibilities.
The updated map is still here. Be careful the page can eat your cpu alive
The color coding is worst <- white (40%), grey (50%), black (60%), blue (70%), red (80%), yellow (90%) -> best
Mouse over any plot with possible city will show city plots and city details, other plots only plot details.
And under the map are lists of the cities by commerce, food, production, total fpc, and population.
Enjoy!!
PS: Also any suggestions for further improvements are more than welcomed. I would like to release the code later, but currently it's too poor and unreadable
Probably most important cities are those with most population, because they have huge bonus from specialists (for example big city with 43 population have 22 specialists, i'm using them as engineers / merchants 1:1, which is not ideal, but it's how it is...).
The heat map is generated for hypothetical situation, beyond the sword version with corporations, when you have all technologies (which means all bonuses from technologies), and map with all resources (some resources are dynamically placed during history, for example lot of them in america). Civics are "set" to universal suffrage, free speech, and free market giving bonuses to cottages / towns. And you have all access to all resources (strategic +1 production = 9, food +1 food = 11, +15 commerce luxuries).
I'm also assume you have 2 corporations - sid's sushi and mining and co, giving you bonus 15 foods, and 15 production, for cost 40 commerce (so you need big empire or get lot resources from foreign trade).
For each plot i'm considering if city is on coast (bonus trade routes, and sea plots food from buildings), or on river (river plots +1p), also other types of plots, like peaks, or tundras, deserts (without water resource), which doesn't produce anything etc... Also if improvements is building, on top of forest, it's "chopped" (-1 production).
Production and commerce counted with city modifiers in mind (+25% market, 25% grocer, 50% bank = +100% commerce, +25% forge, +50% factory with power). For trade routes (coastal cities have more), i assume they are all foreign and modifiers are +50% harbor +100% custom house, total number of trade routes is 2 + 1 airport + 1 corporations + 1 free market, and another 2 for coastal cities.
The map is still not perfect but i'm still updating it and considering all possibilities.
The updated map is still here. Be careful the page can eat your cpu alive
The color coding is worst <- white (40%), grey (50%), black (60%), blue (70%), red (80%), yellow (90%) -> best
Mouse over any plot with possible city will show city plots and city details, other plots only plot details.
And under the map are lists of the cities by commerce, food, production, total fpc, and population.
Enjoy!!
PS: Also any suggestions for further improvements are more than welcomed. I would like to release the code later, but currently it's too poor and unreadable
DylanAraki
Warlord
It's beautiful.
Never realized how good French cities are.
Too bad they give you crappy cities like Bordeaux and Marseille.
Never realized how good French cities are.
Too bad they give you crappy cities like Bordeaux and Marseille.
Akbarthegreat
Angel of Junil
If you are interested, check the map now, it's basically heat map, you can switch between food / commerce / production, total fpc, and population.
Probably most important cities are those with most population, because they have huge bonus from specialists (for example big city with 43 population have 22 specialists, i'm using them as engineers / merchants 1:1, which is not ideal, but it's how it is...).
The heat map is generated for hypothetical situation, beyond the sword version with corporations, when you have all technologies (which means all bonuses from technologies), and map with all resources (some resources are dynamically placed during history, for example lot of them in america). Civics are "set" to universal suffrage, free speech, and free market giving bonuses to cottages / towns. And you have all access to all resources (strategic +1 production = 9, food +1 food = 11, +15 commerce luxuries).
I'm also assume you have 2 corporations - sid's sushi and mining and co, giving you bonus 15 foods, and 15 production, for cost 40 commerce (so you need big empire or get lot resources from foreign trade).
For each plot i'm considering if city is on coast (bonus trade routes, and sea plots food from buildings), or on river (river plots +1p), also other types of plots, like peaks, or tundras, deserts (without water resource), which doesn't produce anything etc... Also if improvements is building, on top of forest, it's "chopped" (-1 production).
Production and commerce counted with city modifiers in mind (+25% market, 25% grocer, 50% bank = +100% commerce, +25% forge, +50% factory with power). For trade routes (coastal cities have more), i assume they are all foreign and modifiers are +50% harbor +100% custom house, total number of trade routes is 2 + 1 airport + 1 corporations + 1 free market, and another 2 for coastal cities.
The map is still not perfect but i'm still updating it and considering all possibilities.
The updated map is still here. Be careful the page can eat your cpu alive
The color coding is worst <- white (40%), grey (50%), black (60%), blue (70%), red (80%), yellow (90%) -> best
Mouse over any plot with possible city will show city plots and city details, other plots only plot details.
And under the map are lists of the cities by commerce, food, production, total fpc, and population.
Enjoy!!
PS: Also any suggestions for further improvements are more than welcomed. I would like to release the code later, but currently it's too poor and unreadable
There are no yellow plots currently?
EDIT:What do the 'ignoring:' mean?
EDIT2:Green?
DylanAraki: yeah they are ones of the bests
Akbarthegreat: no i changed the color, because green wasn't very good visible over the world map (lot of green grass land make green spots invisible). The color codes again are now: worst <- white (<40%), grey (+50%), black (+60%), blue (+70%), red (+80%), yellow (+90%) -> best
However i tried to apply this map and building all the great cities, but it raise up different problem, which is optimal city placement. For example you can have one giga city with +40 pop or you can have two large with +35 pop etc... So next step is generate map with the "right" cities Also the improvement placement (except bonus plots, and water, which are really simply to decide) may not be optimal, but i hope it's pretty close to reality.
Akbarthegreat: no i changed the color, because green wasn't very good visible over the world map (lot of green grass land make green spots invisible). The color codes again are now: worst <- white (<40%), grey (+50%), black (+60%), blue (+70%), red (+80%), yellow (+90%) -> best
However i tried to apply this map and building all the great cities, but it raise up different problem, which is optimal city placement. For example you can have one giga city with +40 pop or you can have two large with +35 pop etc... So next step is generate map with the "right" cities
Also the improvement placement (except bonus plots, and water, which are really simply to decide) may not be optimal, but i hope it's pretty close to reality.I didn't have very much time lately work on this, and i'm kind of stuck with further improvements. Now i'm thinking about getting exact list of all cities without overlapping each other. Any idea how to count best location including optimal city placement (e.g. optimal coverage of the Earth). I was thinking about manually opt-in the cities, but would probably take for ages .) Any ideas?
Also i would welcome any suggestions for further improvements as well. Thanks in advance for all your replies .)
Also i would welcome any suggestions for further improvements as well. Thanks in advance for all your replies .)
krieger546
Chieftain
Gem Hound
Deity
I think you need to shift that up a 2 squares krieger.
krieger546
Chieftain
Zooming in solves that indeed. Thanks for the tip!
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