Travel Through Time

[dacubz145]

SOG

Your mississippian civ has xml errors, did you test it first? Heavy swordsman and Religion_aztec are obviously from another mod..

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

I'll check it sorry...

Update: Reuploaded it. Should be fine now.

 

[dacubz145]

Oh it isnt a big deal to me, i can fix two xml errors just wanted to let ya knoe

How are the anasazi coming along

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

I was actually going to finish them up today. They are pretty much done I just need to do the UB and its effects. The button you made works fine, I did notice the decal flag has nothing on it though.

I was also looking over the list of civs for TTT and I agree about there being a need of South American(as opposed to North America/Meso America) civs.

Which out of those would be the most unique you think?

By the way thanks for letting me know about the Mississippians

 

[Drakarska]

lol, um, there's a lot. Depends on what region of SA your wanting.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

I was thinking near and around the Andes. One of the reasons I wanted to make the Tarascans for example was that they were contempories and rivals of the Aztecs, so I'm wondering if there were anything to that effect for the Incans as well.

Btw I used some of what you said earlier for pedia text for the Anasazi Drakarska. Hope you don't mind

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

The Anasazi are ready, the flag decal is not showing up when i look at it with a dds vier though(I see a pink box, no decal). Let me know what you'd like me to do Dacub, I can upload it now with the button you made and another flag, or wait if you want to revisit the decal flag. Up to you.

 

[dacubz145]

lemme check it out, ill fix it within an hour or so

Tiwanaku or Wari deserve to have a civ, but uu and ub might be difficult

 

[dacubz145]

Make sure white flag is activated

 

[Drakarska]

I was thinking near and around the Andes. One of the reasons I wanted to make the Tarascans for example was that they were contempories and rivals of the Aztecs, so I'm wondering if there were anything to that effect for the Incans as well.

Btw I used some of what you said earlier for pedia text for the Anasazi Drakarska. Hope you don't mind

Nope, don't mind at all.

This is a fast link, as I'm at work. Just scroll down to the Andes part. Fairly long list. I have info on some, depending on tribe. Up to you guys, just let me know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indigenous_peoples_of_South_America

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

I think we have a winner.

The Chimú, moon worshippers who have a history stretching all the way back to the Moche. I think you can make the case they were the contination of the Moche, which is good because I really have been looking for another civ in the region that is a seperate culture from the Inca but also a rival power.

They also built pyramids(ziggurats), like the Mesoamericans...

 

[dacubz145]

They for sure pose to be an interesting empire to create, I would like to hear Draks ideas for UUs UBs, leaders etc.

Did the flag work?

 

[dacubz145]

sog, the dl is accidently under leader category not civs

 

[Drakarska]

I'll check later tonight when I get home. Just found out that my significant other scanned all of my old college papers onto my hard drive (and it isn't even our anniversary yet ). I may actually have some info on that particular region if memory serves, as I was doing corollarie theories on major native expansion routes into brazil. I'll get back to you folks after I check things out... And after I find out what SHE wants for being so nice.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Its no problem at all. Its really been nice working with others here, its actually kind of how I got involved with civfanatics years ago.

 

[Drakarska]

ok, a little background on the Chimu (forgot how to do the little apostrophe );

They maintained the largest and most important political system before the Inca, and were the first to actually have a dedicated diplomat class for various tribal relations called lamdedela which was a sub sect of the sicliudadela or castes.

They had a 4 lvl hierarchal system with elite ruling over administrative centers, usually at walled cities called ciudadels at the main city of Chan Chan. They expanded by conquest from Piura to Casma and Paramonga in the south. Their state began to take shape in the early part of the 14th century, probably from an increase in population.

In approximately 1465-70, they were conquered by Pachy and his son Topi, with the Inca absorbing much of the Chimu culture, political organizations, irrigation systems and road engineering.

Chimu culture was based primarily on agriculture, aided by immense works of irrigation engineering and canal systems. Additionally, they did excellent work in textiles, as well as gold, silver, and copper smithing. The Chimu language was known as Yunca (Yunga), Mochica (or Moche) is now extinct, and was very different and distinctive from that of the Inca.

This link for images;

https://www.google.com/search?q=chimu+warriors&hl=en&qscrl=1&rlz=1T4ADFA_enUS473US476&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=kVoUUqLoCOr7yAH30YDADA&ved=0CC4QsAQ&biw=1600&bih=718

There elite warriors were called Uncu, and they used highly ornate axes called Tuma in battle. There ceremonial axes were called Tumi, and were usually great works of art.

So, IMO (lol), I would recommend for favorite civics MON/Caste.

UA; Diplo bonus
UB; Ciudadels -not quite sure how to work this one. Maybe a bonus towards gold?
UU; Uncu- Axeman of some type. Bonus when grouped.

I'd probably call them ORG/IND given the info. Let me know what you think.

Drak.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

That sounds fantastic actually. I think I can find something fairly decent for the UU. The building could replace the market and provide additional bonuses to commerce I'm thinking.

Any records of any leaders? I think there is a Peruvian female leaderhead that someone made that might work...

Flag doesn't seem to be working Dacubz. Any way you could make a decal the same style as the button? If not its cool. The civ is playable at least.

 

[Drakarska]

I might be able to provide a leader, as I believe Wiki has some erroneous info in that regard. I'll get back to you folks on that.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

I might be able to provide a leader, as I believe Wiki has some erroneous info in that regard. I'll get back to you folks on that.

Sab just updated his mesoamerican female leaderhead so if we could find a female leader that would be awesome.

In any case Dacubz I'm still admiring your work on that mississipian flag.

 

[Drakarska]

Ok, found one of my research papers;

Chimú

From: A Brief History of Peru.





At its peak during the 14th and 15th centuries, the Chimor—Chimú Empire, or confederation—extended along 500 miles of Pacific coastland from present-day Piura to Huarmey and was the second-largest native state in South America. The area controlled by the Chimor was one of the most thickly populated, with large cities and settlements of all the Andean regions.

The capital city of Chan Chan, Chimor's main urban seat, occupied 12 to 15 square miles and may have had a population of close to 100,000 at its height of development. The city was surrounded by a high brick wall that enclosed houses, streets, temples, pyramids, and reservoirs. The stone-lined reservoirs held more than 2 million gallons of water, and the outer wall, although it has eroded over the centuries, still stands 30 feet tall. The ruins of Chan Chan are located just outside the modern city of Trujillo.

Through highly sophisticated hydraulic techniques and the construction of immense stone-covered irrigation trenches, the Chimú managed to cultivate between 50 and 65 percent of the available coastal valley land. Intervalley canals not only demonstrate great labor and engineering skills but also represent sensitive claims to water and land. The Chimú built a complex system of canals to allow cultivation of fertile valley fields, although the system's northern and southern branches were never fully connected because of political divisions (Moseley 1992, 252). To expand their agricultural production, the Chimú also created low-level parcels of farmland (called huachaques) by removing the top layers of sand to reveal cultivatable soil. These parcels sometimes reached a depth of 35 feet, and sometimes covered areas of hundreds of square miles.

Such large public works of agricultural and hydraulic engineering required a massive use of labor, which the Chimú leaders acquired through a draft system called the mit'a. The invention of this economic and social device by the Chimú had far-reaching and long-lasting effects in the region. Although it was adapted over the centuries to fit changing circumstances, mit'a labor became a key to the expansion of the Inca Empire, which subsequently laid the foundation for the Europeanized system, mita, of drafting Indian laborers into Spanish-owned mines and haciendas during the colonial period. A modified form of the labor tribute system persisted in Peru until the late 19th century.

The Chimú, who were famous for their arts and crafts, organized artisans hierarchically in what resembled a guild pattern. Leaders of specific trades carried specific titles, such as "Lord of the Feathered Clothes Makers." Best known of all the Chimú's skills was goldsmithing, which reached a high level of artistry and workmanship and produced many artifacts and luxury items. Unfortunately, because of this great command of metallurgy, this pre-Inca culture has suffered drastically from artifact thieves and grave robbers. When the Inca conquered the Chimú, they took the best gold and silversmiths to Cuzco to decorate the Temple of the Sun (Coricancha) and to make luxury and ceremonial objects, many of which were subsequently lost to Spanish greed and expropriation.

In spite of fierce resistance, between 1462 and 1470 the Chimú became part of the Inca Empire. The Chimú leader Minchancaman became a vassal prince of the Inca and married the daughter of Pachacútec. Minchancaman and approximately 40,000 Chimú came under Inca rule, although Chimú traditions and practices strongly influenced Inca life, such as the custom among both the Chimú and Inca that the incoming heir to the throne could not inherit any of the wealth accumulated by his predecessor. Each new leader had to start anew to build his own temple and his own house and to acquire his own servants and his own land. This practice pressured leaders to pursue wars of expansion against neighboring ethnic groups. Consequently the Inca dismembered the Chimor, and what little was left fell prey to the first pandemics of European disease around 1500.

Citation; Hunefeldt, Christine. "Chimú." A Brief History of Peru. New York




I'll have to search harder for a female leader, as I don't think there is much more details on hereditary rulers for them.