"it's a state issue, unless it's the President issuing executive orders, and even then, it's got to be a Republican POTUS"

"it's up to the people"

How far are you prepared to go? Not you personally, of course. More like the estimation of your side, your elites, when they are in position to censor, are they going to use the full power of the state to erase dissent?

Compare that to your estimation of the distance the other side is willing to travel, and this is of questionable winningness. I suppose because the British demagogue is the much goofier Farage, there may be more temptation to play around because he's less formidable, but that may not always remain so.

On a different level, personally, I have difficulty having much trust in the ability of any censor to make good consistent judgement.
There are no elites "on my side".

Abuse of power is a perennial problem, and recourse against it is extremely limited. But that doesn't mean we should discard, argue against, or otherwise caution against actual, justified uses of power. Nor do I underestimate Farage (much like I didn't Johnson).

The state is going to do what the state is going to do. I'd much rather spend my time arguing cases where there is arguably excess, and not cases where the response seems proportionate.
 
In a court filing tonight Trump attorneys have said that Musk has no authority or power in the actions of DOGE. They claim he is just a WH advisor with no say in any actions and is not connected to Doge in any way. It is their way of trying to shield him from all the lawsuits even though they have been touting him as the DOGE leader for months.

Maybe they are setting up Musk to take the fall, if/when the outrage from Trump's own MAGA crowd becomes a problem.

Musk is so arrogant anyway, that he probably wouldn't even notice what's happening behind his back ;)
 

Boston crowd boos Canadian national anthem after Team USA heard same jeers during 4 Nations Face-Off​

The game may not have involved Team USA, but the Boston crowd for Canada-Finland remembered what their neighbors to the north did during the U.S. national anthem and returned the favor.

Canadians in Montreal were heard booing the U.S. national anthem during the 4 Nations Face-Off game between the two countries. What transpired was three fights in the first nine seconds of the game, followed by a U.S. 3-1 victory.

During the playing of Canada’s national anthem on Sunday afternoon at the TD Garden in Boston, some fans were heard booing.

Hostility was felt both on the ice and off it between these two countries, especially with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau saying he was "damn proud of this country" after hearing boos during "The Star-Spangled Banner."

Jeers have also been heard during NHL games since President Donald Trump announced tariffs on Canada, which have since been paused. The president also teased Canada becoming the "51st state."

While some Canadian players, like Drew Doughty, doesn’t want to hear boos from fans during anthems, U.S. defenseman Zach Werenski voiced his displeasure with it.

"We knew it was going to happen," Werenski admitted. "It happened the last game, it’s been happening in the NHL before this, and we knew tonight was going to be the same way. We obviously don’t like it."

The U.S. also faced boos from the crowd before demolishing Finland, 6-1, in their game before facing Canada.

"It is what it is," Werenski added. "We kind of had an idea. We used it as motivation the best we could and found a way to get a win. But we had an idea going into it, so it wasn’t a surprise. Definitely don’t like it, though."

The hostility picked up even more when gloves were dropped immediately with the puck when Canada and USA were on the ice together.

It was Matthew Tkachuk going toe to toe with Brandon Hagel. Then, just two seconds later, Matthew’s brother, Brady, squared up with Sam Bennett, who is NHL teammates with Matthew on the Florida Panthers.

Finally, a scrap in the Canadian zone led J.T. Miller and Colton Parayko to drop their gloves.

Team Canada would score the first goal, as perennial NHL star Connor McDavid got his country on the board first. But the U.S. would score three unanswered to finish off the victory and automatically earn themselves a spot in the 4 Nations Face-Off championship game.

Canada’s win over Finland on Sunday guarantees the rematch everyone wanted to see for the title, which will see the puck drop on Thursday night.

Whether more boos, and more fights, will be had at the TD Garden for that matchup remains to be seen.


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The tensions between the US and Canada continue. The nations will have a rematch on Thursday for the championship. In the first match, the United States defeated Canada 3-1.
 
I have to admit, this side of the pond we are used to a bit more imagination in our sporting insults. I have included some below

'Mikel Arteta called him, Said now's your time to shine, Coz I'm collecting Gabi's And gonna make you mine Some say he walks on water, Or turns it into wine, Oh I believe in Jesus, The arsenal number 9' (chant about Gabriel Jesus)
'Who put the ball in the West Ham net Who put the ball in the West Ham net Who put the ball in the West Ham net Half the ****ing team did!'
‘He’s big, he’s red, his feet stick out the bed’ (chant about Peter Crouch)
‘When you’re sat in row Z, and the ball hits your head, that’s Zamora, that’s Zamora’ (chant about Bobby Zamora to the tune of ‘That’s Amore’ by Dean Martin)
‘Chelsea, wherever you may be, keep your wife from John Terry’ (chant about John Terry to the tune of ‘Lord of the Dance’)
‘Stand up if you pay your tax’ (chant aimed at Harry Redknapp after he was investigated for tax fraud)
‘Your teeth are offside’ (chant about Luiz Suarez)
‘His name is Rio, and he watches from the stands’ (chant about Rio Ferdinand to the tune of ‘Rio’ by Duran Duran)
‘He’s fast, he’s red, he talks like Father Ted’ (chant about Robbie Keane)
‘His name is Rio and he dances on the grass/Don’t take the ball from him, he’ll kick your ******* ass.’ (chant about Rio Ferdinand to the tune of ‘Rio’ by Duran Duran)
‘You should have stayed on the telly’ (chant directed at Alan Shearer when manager of Newcastle)
 
Ewww disgusting, you sound like an obedience minion, you are fit to serve the dark lord.
Oh, No!...anyway
And basic anti-Americanism makes you sound intellectually defective.
 
I think New York Democrats have lost the plot. Somehow, in order to be pro-democracy, they're trying to hinder the duly elected President Trump to the degree that the US Attorney General has had to sue to the state, they are lobbying Governor Kathy Hochul to remove the elected mayor of New York City Eric Adams, and want to move the special election for the replacement of Representative Elise Stefanik to the fall in order to disenfranchise 750,000 New Yorkers. None of this qualifies as being pro-democracy in the least.
 
I like how Adams is good now in the eyes of Republicans. Remember when he opposed "stop and frisk"?

I remember a couple years ago when Eric Adams sounded the alarm on the massive burden that unchecked illegal immigration was having on the city's social services, which shattered the Biden narrative that any problems with open borders were invented. And then once Adams railed against the collective consciousness, that's when all of a sudden the Biden DOJ was charging him with corruption. If you watched Adams on Fox and Friends the other day, the hosts grilled him hard, and basically he was just being tolerated by Republicans as long as he was cooperating with Tom Homan. Regardless of any of this, Adams is the elected mayor, and it is profoundly anti-democratic for a governor to remove him. If there is an impeachment process that would be carried out by the city council, then that should be employed.
 
I think New York Democrats have lost the plot. Somehow, in order to be pro-democracy, they're trying to hinder the duly elected President Trump to the degree that the US Attorney General has had to sue to the state, they are lobbying Governor Kathy Hochul to remove the elected mayor of New York City Eric Adams, and want to move the special election for the replacement of Representative Elise Stefanik to the fall in order to disenfranchise 750,000 New Yorkers. None of this qualifies as being pro-democracy in the least.
i thought you liked states rights
 
I remember a couple years ago when Eric Adams sounded the alarm on the massive burden that unchecked illegal immigration
You'd have to go back a bit further for his record on stop and frisk. Which magically changed when running for mayor in 2021.

But sure, this is the principled guy you want to stick up for, because he's anti-immigration and out of lockstep with his party on certain issues. You do you.
 

Under Trump, U.S. government scientists told they need clearance to meet with Canadian counterparts​

Former official says NOAA workforce could be halved, sending ripple effects around the world

Travelling for international meetings or even joining a call with Canadian counterparts has become impossible for some U.S. government scientists, under new directives since U.S. President Donald Trump took office.

Canadian ecologist Aaron Fisk says he recently tried to set up a virtual call to discuss plans with American colleagues, including a government scientist, around sampling fish.

"We tried to have a quick meeting with one of our collaborators … and they were denied access," Fisk said.

Given that the Great Lakes — and their aquatic life — straddle both sides of the border, having American scientists suddenly barred from meetings has had deep impacts.

That, combined with funding freezes, is drastically altering the way science works in North American, at least for now.

Fisk, who is the Canada Research Chair in Changing Great Lakes Ecosystems at the University of Windsor, receives funding from the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) for his work.

NOAA, a federal agency, provides scientific information, research and forecasting including daily weather reports, hurricane tracking, climate modelling, and marine monitoring.

Fisk says the total U.S. research funds he's had frozen add up to more than $700,000 US, or about $993,000 Cdn.

That's left two of his Great Lakes research projects on hold — one related to studying the movement of fish and one that used autonomous underwater vehicles to study how climate change is affecting Lake Erie.

What internal NOAA emails reveal​

CBC News has seen emails sent to NOAA employees, directing staff to get senior approval on "all upcoming international engagements" up until the end of March 2024.

The new guidance from the NOAA policy team states that limits on "international engagements should be applied broadly" to include all NOAA-funded international travel, travel within the U.S. for international meetings, as well as all virtual meetings about an international topic, policy or scientific collaboration.

Virtual meetings are also required to be submitted for review if they touch on an array of topics including: climate, energy, offshore wind, ocean mapping and exploration, competitive seafood, aquaculture, ocean plastics, the World Meteorological Organization, Arctic security and Arctic energy.

Emails with international counterparts that are scientific in nature and involve the exchange of scientific data must also be submitted for review.

CBC News has agreed to protect the identity of the sources who shared this information because they fear retaliation.

CBC News reached out to multiple NOAA officials to ask for comment.

NOAA Fisheries spokesperson Rachel Hager denied that federal scientists have been ordered to stop communicating with international counterparts.

In a separate email, Mona Allen, director of public affairs for NOAA Research said the agency remains committed to serving the American public and that "we continue to work with partners to provide these important services."

'Draconian' changes bad for planet, scientist says​

The mission statement still posted on NOAA's website states that its role "extends beyond national borders" to monitor global weather and climate and to "work with partners around the world."

But the internal emails obtained by CBC News appear to undermine that central objective.

"It's very Draconian," Fisk said.

Throughout his career, up until Trump's recent inauguration, he said it was normal to share resources, ideas and data with colleagues south of the border.

"The Great Lakes is an excellent place to show where Canada and the United States comes together to do really good research," Fisk said. "It's like the border doesn't even exist."

Fisk said emails with his U.S. counterparts have slowed to a minimum, and that he's not the only one at the University of Windsor who has had their research put on hold.

From studying the impacts of climate change to tracking a hurricane as it travels from the Caribbean up the U.S. coast to Canada, NOAA's work is closely intertwined with Canadian weather forecasting and research.



Many are worried what it will mean for the international research community if a global leader like the U.S. is headed down a path of scientific isolationism.

Gretchen Goldman, president of the Union of Concerned Scientists, put it simply: "I think science is under attack in the United States."

But she encouraged her colleagues to not give up hope. "I think we should hold the line and take it day by day," she told CBC News.

Former NOAA official: workforce could be halved​

Reports of looming mass layoffs at the U.S. agency have also struck a chill among many federal scientists.

Janne Haugen, a fisheries ecologist, is a NOAA affiliate who works for a company contracted by the U.S. government.

Haugen told CBC News that, for now, she's being cautious and limiting communication with international colleagues to technical aspects of the job.

"I do have emails from other collaborators that I haven't responded to," she said.

"I just don't want to put my head on a chopping block and get fired if I respond in a way that's interpreted as something that I shouldn't do."

Andrew Rosenberg, a former deputy director of NOAA's National Marine Fisheries Service, told CBC News that slashing 50 per cent of the agency's workforce is being discussed on Capitol Hill and within NOAA.

"This is a transition of destruction. I've never seen anything like it," said Rosenberg, a marine scientist.

He said it's normal for political priorities to shift under a newly elected government, but nothing like this.

The firehose of policy changes targeting American scientific institutions is not limited to NOAA.

A communication freeze at the National Institutes of Health has created chaos, and disappearing data sets form the Centers for Disease Control has sent Canadians racing to archive the information before it is lost.

Also in the crosshairs is the Environmental Protection Agency, where hundreds of staff have been terminated.

According to Rémi Quirion, the president of the international network for governmental scientific advice, there's no denying there will be ripple effects if this is part of a long-term trend toward dismantling, or at least severely restricting, the work of American scientific institutions.

"Science should be without borders," Quirion said. "I think globally, it will slow down progress and research."

No official notice on changes, says Canadian government​

The Canadian federal government, for its part, said it hadn't received official notice of any changes to its collaboration with NOAA.

In an email, Environment and Climate Change Canada (ECCC) spokesperson Samantha Bayard underlined the longstanding relationship with U.S. counterparts.

"ECCC and NOAA also collaborate daily on a number of different fronts, including in Arctic waters and the Great Lakes through joint ice observations and forecasts via the North American Ice Service, and producing integrated weather models as part of the North American Ensemble Forecast System," Bayard said.

Quirion suggested the situation could create some benefits for Canada. As the Chief Scientist of Quebec in a role advising the provincial government, he said this could be a chance to draw talent.

"Already we have inquiries in Quebec … Canadian scientists in the U.S. that are thinking maybe it's time to go back home," he said.

But for many, it's too early to see any silver linings.

Rosenberg, who has more than 35 years of experience in government and academic work, said he's furious.

"Does it have an impact on Canada and the rest of the world? You bet," he said. "The U.S. has the strongest science enterprise in the world and these people are throwing it away."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/trump-american-scientists-international-engagements-1.7461238
 
You'd have to go back a bit further for his record on stop and frisk. Which magically changed when running for mayor in 2021.

But sure, this is the principled guy you want to stick up for, because he's anti-immigration and out of lockstep with his party on certain issues. You do you.

I stick up for his right to finish his term. Letting a governor remove a mayor is ludicrous. Maybe we should give Trump the power to remove a governor? It would be the same level of "democracy."
 
I stick up for his right to finish his term. Letting a governor remove a mayor is ludicrous. Maybe we should give Trump the power to remove a governor? It would be the same level of "democracy."
You wouldn't be sticking up for his anything if his politics didn't intersect with yours, is my point.

Anyhow, yes, New York state has a constitution, and this can be leveraged to remove a city mayor from office. I'm surprised you don't know this.
 
I stick up for his right to finish his term. Letting a governor remove a mayor is ludicrous. Maybe we should give Trump the power to remove a governor? It would be the same level of "democracy."
So, going after a mayor for corruption is "Anti-Democracy?"
 
You wouldn't be sticking up for his anything if his politics didn't intersect with yours, is my point.

Anyhow, yes, New York state has a constitution, and this can be leveraged to remove a city mayor from office. I'm surprised you don't know this.

I broadly do not support the ability of a governor to remove a mayor. Removing a mayor should be done either by the city council or a voter recall. This applies to all states and cities. I again compare it to if the president had the power to remove a governor.

So, going after a mayor for corruption is "Anti-Democracy?"

Going after him is corruption, when he has not been convicted of a crime, nor is he even actively being charged with one.
 
Going after him is corruption, when he has not been convicted of a crime, nor is he even actively being charged with one.
They had a strong case but the admin ordered it dropped.
 
I broadly do not support the ability of a governor to remove a mayor. Removing a mayor should be done either by the city council or a voter recall. This applies to all states and cities. I again compare it to if the president had the power to remove a governor.
Irrelevant, it's in the state's constitution. State rights.
Going after him is corruption, when he has not been convicted of a crime, nor is he even actively being charged with one.
Federal overruling of a state case sure seems like something you shouldn't be defending.
 
Irrelevant, it's in the state's constitution. State rights.

Fine, states rights. It's still anti-democratic to the same degree that it would be anti-democratic for Trump to start removing governors he didn't like.
 
Fine, states rights. It's still anti-democratic to the same degree that it would be anti-democratic for Trump to start removing governors he didn't like.
No it's not, because the process doesn't let anyone get removed for simply being "disliked". It's not anti-democratic at all, you simply don't like it personally. These are not the same things.
 
DEI purge hits space scientists hard

NASA is purging programmes involving diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI), in response to an executive order issued by US President Donald Trump. Although the orders affect all federal agencies, they are keenly felt at NASA, which has a long history of working towards inclusivity. “How do you go from something being so important that it’s a pillar [of the agency], to being so reviled that it’s off of everything?” asks planetary scientist Julie Rathbun. “It feels like a betrayal by NASA,” says planetary geophysicist Kas Knicely.

Layoffs begin at EPA

And at the end of last week, termination notices started going out at the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). More than 1,000 employees tasked with regulating air pollution, researching the health effects of toxic chemicals and more have been notified that they might be fired. “I’m scared to open my computer every morning,” says one EPA scientist who asked for anonymity. Another 171 staff members have been placed on administrative leave because they work on programmes related to promoting diversity, equity and inclusion and environmental justice.

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