Turn Discussion Thread

[BLubmuz]

I logged in and seen the Mavs' cities empties, but a LB in the Plague.
They deleted all their units. Not fair to do so with workers, i think. But they favoured us.

Took both, no losses , no buildings

I'm thinking to offer to Ama the city formerly known as the Plague in exchange of Spot B.

So they can have the marble and we can have the Ivory.

 

[BLubmuz]

Just re-affirming my vote to get as much of this spoke as possible. If we can get both cities...

As you can see above, done.

Also I know I messed up the civics but please consider building our army anyways, having lower xp units is better then no units at all. The quat army is in shambles, I think this is a time for us to get very powerful now.

Let's finish our dikes, then i agree. In any case, to take MAvs' island we need more than Cuirass.

I think maybe we should just use the Curiassers, leave everything else in Ald, the Mav's still have a Galley and there forces may have only moved into fog to the left of Plague. Lets play cautiously here.

Unfortunately our Cuirass were out of moves, so i moved only a reinforcement one in the Western city. But you can be right, better be prudent. Consider also the Ama stack there, it's pretty impressive.

 

[HUSch]

I'm thinking to offer to Ama the city formerly known as the Plague in exchange of Spot B.

So they can have the marble and we can have the Ivory.

That would be a good idea.

Have you done it, ingame. Do it.

 

[BLubmuz]

That would be a good idea.

Have you done it, ingame. Do it.

Done.

BTW, i can't remember if we built the NE and i just logged out, so i can't verify. We did it? if not better put the GAge to good use.

The HE can go in one of the 2 more developed cities in Bode, did we decided where?

I loded the GG on the ship to move it to former Copper city. I think you now agree on its use.

 

[AlphaShard]

We have not built NE, but we can certainly decide where. I agree that HE should go to Arcturus or Vega.

I don't know where the Amazon stack is, must be hidden in the fog.

Should we send our frigates to Mav Island now? I think we will want more of them, plus more EI as well. We could probably stop blockading now actually.

 

[Trystero]

I logged into the game to catch up on the current situation. Amazon requested Steam Power and I gave it to them. They also requested Marble. I did NOT give this to them as I was not sure of what our plan was. I will write them a short message explaining this to them. We should also offer them The Plague/Mizar for Spot B trade. If you offered them that trade in-game already, I saw no evidence that they accepted it in the trade screens.

I will write a message to the ETTA explaining our recent technology research. We should distribute the remaining techs to Quat and CDZ, if we haven't done so already.

And very nicely done General BLubmuz. We should write a nice letter to Quat thanking them for wearing down Mavs defenses for us.

We have not built NE yet, as AlphaShard said. I would put HE in Arcturus.

We should also consider putting a city south of Hadar (close to where Mavs Jumbo City was) on the North coast of our new spire to consolidate our holdings.

Edit: Also, I agree with using the GG for a Super-Medic unit.

Edit2: And since we are in CS we can run Artists as soon as the cities come out of revolt to pop their borders.

 

[BLubmuz]

In game i offered to Ama the westernmost city on the spire (the one with marble) for Spot B.

The other city, even if less good as a site, is strategic for a Quat invasion.

The Ama stack is stacked with a couple of our units just NE of the marble city.

I don't know if wes Quat to clean the defenders. The most probable thing is that Mavs just deleted them. Having no choices of victory, they deny us GG points.

About SP, we surely need to give our techs to our best friends Ama, not sure about the others. Unfortunately now Ama can give them.

Let's start both NE and HE (once the GG reches the medic cuirass) ASAP. We must evaluate if finish the dikes in the interested cities gives more benefits than switch immediately to those NW, due to the GAge benefits and marble.

 

[HUSch]

We are crea, so we don't need artists, all cities 've pop 1 or 2, so growing is the first goal.
For general i'm against medic, but the majority is clear. Imo fighting is better.
For what do we need NE? And where, now we are building dikes and then units, perhaps in Vega HE, so we can't give our marple away.

btw
I hope, there are no units in Plague, when you give the town.

 

[BLubmuz]

We are crea, so we don't need artists, all cities 've pop 1 or 2, so growing is the first goal.

Agreed, mainly on normal speed.

For general i'm against medic, but the majority is clear. Imo fighting is better.

Besides the healing capabilities, which you will appreciate once things go hot, it gives us the HE. We have not a single 10 XP unit right now.

btw
I hope, there are no units in Plague, when you give the town.

Even if they are there, they won't change owner.
If you got OB when you gift a city your units stay there, if not they will teleported outside the city radius.

I did it on solo games many times, don't worry.

 

[BLubmuz]

I logged and seen a request for marble.
I answered this

If you want marble, just accept the city i'm offering for SpotB

I hope to made myself clear.

Then i proposed the city exchange.

I also think it's time to terminate this absurd ETT. We have research capabilities far beyond Quat and CDZ. We gain nothing staying there.

I propose to send a message to Amazon to inform them on our intention. I f they accept, good, otherwise we break the ETT and keep only the NAP with Ama.

We want win this one, right? The ETT gives us almost nothing at this stage.

 

[HUSch]

We 've give our techs to Ama and RP to Quat.
I can live without ETT. How long do we have a NAP with Ama?

 

[AlphaShard]

Until 1500 AD.

I agree were at the point where we wanted to break the ETT anyways. It doesn't appear that Quat is teching Steel at all does it?

Also you may need to send an Email message to make sure they get it, the in game messages seem to not always go through.

What are the details of CDZ/Ama nap?

I do worry were about to get dog piled so we do need to build up forces everywhere soon.

 

[BLubmuz]

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What are the details of CDZ/Ama nap?

I'd love to know it. I think we can ask them, since they are our allies and we're in right to know the terms of their other alliances.

I do worry were about to get dog piled so we do need to build up forces everywhere soon.

Sure.
As soon as we have dikes and HE in place, let's start build rifles and cannons.

Adter rifling i propose to go for Steel.

This can be a draft for the message i'd like to send to Ama:

Dear Amazon allies,
we like to inform you that we do not want give any tech we researched to Quatronia and CDZ.
Thus, the ETT is expired. If you like, we'll be glad to continue our research collaboration with you and you alone, provided you do not give techs we give you to Quatronia and CDZ.
Of course i do not even mention our common enemies, M&M, which soon will be dust.

Speaking of alliances, we're glad to confirm our NAP until 1500 AD.
We also like to know the terms of your other alliance, with CDZ if i'm not wrong.
I think it's fair that an ally knows the alliances of his ally.

Sirius is sure you will understand. Only one will remain.

About your request for marble, we already answered to you in game. We think that our proposal for a city exchange is fair and - mainly - gives to both of us resources now we lack. I would also add that the mostwestern city is less pressed by our culture and is probably a better site than SpotB.

We wait your kind answer.
Best regards
Blubmuz on behalf of Team Sirius.

Aside the obvious discussion on the substance of this proposed message, please correct me. As you know i'm an ignorant stranger, so my english is all but perfect. I don't wanna be misunderstood.

edit attention, i edited the message.

 

[Trystero]

I think we should wait until after we have captured the Mavericks home island before we start issuing ultimatums. Do you want to fight a war against everybody right now? What if Amazon says "screw you" and marches their stack onto Bode or Anjennida? You do realize that the reason we have not had to build a large military force up to this point is because of our diplomacy, right?

I've stated in the diplomacy thread why I think Amazon might not want the marble city, and why I think we should lend them marble for a few turns. Ending the ETTA is going to be tricky. Let's not start burning all our bridges at once. Lend Amazon the marble for a few turns.

 

[HUSch]

Quat is making money to upp units and then they 'll research, this is, what they doing the whole time, like all other.

We 've no defense against any our allies go against us.

Blub and Alpha
Why do you think Ama can win with us? Your strategic plan is so, that Ama can see, they 've no chance for a vic. With the other 3 against us, they 've a good chance for it.

 

[HUSch]

Tristero

We need the marple for HE. That is a fact, so we can not give it to Ama. As Ama I don't would make the deal (about towns).

 

[Irgy]

For goodness sake can we at least tell Amazon *why* we need the marble? And for how many turns? What kind of way to treat an ally is this? What better way to get them to side with CDZ in the endgame than to treat them like garbage now. I know I'm not the most responsive of people at the moment but more than 3 or 4 hours in the dead middle of the night between receiving this and a reply having been sent already would have been nice.

And why oh why do we have to reopen the ETTT debate every 10 turns in the face of no change in circumstances? If there's one thing that's completely burned me out and killed my interest in the game it's having this same argument over and over and over again, reopened without any change in circumstances. I'll admit it's been a while since I logged in, so if someone can explain to me what's actually changed about our situation in the meantime that warrants reopening this debate then that's fine. But everything I see above is almost word for word the same reasons that were raised every other time we've had this debate.

Also if we are going to quit it, then at least just kick out Quatronia, don't kick out CDZ as well. Kicking out CDZ as well places Amazon in an impossible position, from which the only honorable response would be to kick us out. Kicking out just Quatronia can even be done within the terms of the agreement.

Good work capturing the city though. If there was a post in the turn tracker thread about it I'd even know which city had actually been captured, though in all honesty I can't really criticise other people for not putting in enough effort at this stage. Better to make the good war moves and not write up the details than get burned out writing up details and play the game wrong.

 

[HUSch]

Hello
Who has the idea to go at the 2. coal tile, why? That is the last important action for worker now. After all jungle tiles are chopped and modernisized, we can perhaps mine the coal, or perhaps found a city there. I don't understand it. The roaded jungle at coast need a farm quick, and the farm row to east and then the fort/canal at the mav spore is more important.

I hope we roaded now with the worker there.

 

[AlphaShard]

Blub and Alpha
Why do you think Ama can win with us? Your strategic plan is so, that Ama can see, they 've no chance for a vic. With the other 3 against us, they 've a good chance for it.

See this is why you need to work on your english, it sounds like your saying exactly what I already said.

I said this awhile ago that Amazon is roleplaying "Good cop" they are waiting for someone to act the Villain like they already did with Merlot. Seriously a holy war for losing a Scout??

I don't think Amazon seeks to win with us, I think they seek to use us for as long as possible. When we seem useful we don't have to fight them, when we resist and antagonise is when we will and be dogpiled doing so.

 

[BLubmuz]

Sure we can explain to Ama why we need marble, even if i think that telling them just that we need it is enough.

Then, this debate on the ETT continues rising because we're still in there. We're putting great efforts and resources in research (research buildings and so on) when the other members build military. Then they were smashed but that's not important. Better for us.

No more ETT if not with Amazon, provided they offer a fair amount of research.

So, let's revise the message, let's do anything, but let's have this stupid ETT burned.

In any case, Ama is tied with our NAP, as we are. For what we can see, CDZ is absolutely pitiful military side and Quat not much better. Let them come.

PLease look here, i think that answer should suffice.