Turn Discussion Thread

[BLubmuz]

In any case i'll keep this thread updated.
Took for the Nth time an abandoned Pyra city.

The forts won't work. I did not tested, but probably they need to be on the coast to work as a channel, like they do in the Center.
Speaking of Center, Nabaxica expnded to its 4th ring, covering the tiles once covered by us, so our small stack of defenders was retreated 1E, to try to move to Orion.

I can count over 30 Rifles and MGs and over 12 arties in the center, plus many obsolete units.
I think that also Andromeda is in danger.
Next turn i will build a fort in the N coast of Comet, to ferry units from Bode or viceversa. I need also a transport, which i plan to build next turn.

I loaded a transport with 4 units from former India, to ferry them on Comet next turn, provided the port is free.

I also wiped the stack of 5 destroyers at the cost of 2, but actually 3 plus a transport, which were there due to a misclick last turn. I just discovered my good but old mouse (MX1000) is broken. I already ordered a new one, but some misclick here and there can't be recovered.

In any case, Ama has, despite the heavy (but not so much, they're lucky, too) losses an army like we never have, even counting our lost units.
Their strategy is clear now: a powerful army, a lot of espionage, poor research and a good diplo.
Once Quat and CDZ will realize they're winning, they will become monsters. But probably they have some sort of friendship, so they prefere Ama to us.

I feel used . Actually our diplomats at the time were, but i can't avoid that feeling, being part of the team.

I never used espionage to that extent, usually because in my solo games, played mostly on Monarch/Emperor, i'm so superior in tech compared to my AI opponents that i need only defensive EPs.
But i uderestimated what a human can do, mainly after Constitution (Jail) and Democracy (SB) if he's backwards in techs. Definitely i have to learn to play against humans.
But probably i learnt enough with this game, so my target when i subscribed is achieved.

 

[AlphaShard]

I had a feeling the would just steal techs even had we left ettt when you wanted to. They did espionage specific since the beginning with Great Wall. Our only chance probably was Space.

 

[BLubmuz]

I had a feeling the would just steal techs even had we left ettt when you wanted to. They did espionage specific since the beginning with Great Wall. Our only chance probably was Space.

Ama won't need to steal techs if we kept the NAP and the ETT only with them. They could have had them for free. But being the ETT limited to the two of us, would gave us the right to ask them to contribute, if not with techs with gold (to keep the research high) or units, to let us build structures and to be safe from 3rd party attacks. Obviusly at a given point the fight would have been between the 2 of us, but things could be quite different.

A tactic can be to build many different units to 1 turn to completion (not so difficult) then have them built 1/turn, saving maintenance costs and giving them a false impression we were weak.

Too late to complain. I must add that if LP, HUSch, Trystero and Irgy, won't have left due to RL problems this game could have been different. For what i've seen LP agreed with most of my points on the ETT, but he was just a meteor after the beginning. I continue to not see Irgy's points, mainly when he was really active here.

Not mentioning the dozens of people disappeared after few turns. Sure this is the last time i spend my energies in such a long game. 15 months is too much, with at least 3 more to go. And after 2 months of preparation. Many people just posted a few, then not even bothered to advice they left.

 

[AlphaShard]

Civ 5 was one reason some left.

Some I think grew bored.

Funny enough I think I would like to try this out again.

 

[BLubmuz]

I simply tought that if no one but me and Alpha is actively participating in the discussion, no one is interested by this game, for time reasons or else.

Alpha himself said he does not want to see more cities burned or conquered. I say i'll play until i can resist with decent odds, then when the army will be almost nothing...

We have no techs to give, after they stolen us AL and Arty. On the contrary, they have Bio which we lack.

 

[BLubmuz]

Played my half. Not much to do, if not move some units here and there.
The target is to have a sizeable force in any area. We can have only our home island lightly defended.

Still, with the army Ama have in the Center, if they use it all at once on a target, they can't loose. And they can be safe fron counter attacks, since we need no less than 3 turns to arrive to Nabaxica, so they can go back.

They have some 26 rifles, soon infantry, some 15 arties and 7-8 MGs only in the 2 visible Center tiles.

Their naval stacks are out of reach. We need at least twice the destroyers we have.

Logged a 2nd time, to move some more unit.
Set Esp to 20%, i'm curious to see Ama's graphs.

CDZ have a very low power, probably not much more than a unit per city. I'm almost sure they sold or gave obsolete units to Ama.
I don't understand what they're doing. PAs are not enabled (i logged again to verify), so they can't form one with Ama and win the game together.

Something fishy is happening between them. Do you think is worth to inform the Admins and ask them to investigate?
I suspect someone in Ama is playing CDZ turns using the nick socralynneck. I verified also socralynneck's activity on the forums and when i'm editing this his last activity was in july 4th, 15 days ago.

 

[AlphaShard]

I figured CDZ was just being a tech mule for the other two.

 

[BLubmuz]

I asked LP an advice with 2 PM (just because i thought to the 2nd problem right after sent the first)

Hi LP,
i need your advice on the following:
I suspect CDZ is no more a true active team and its turns are played by someone from Amazon.

I also am sure that CDZ gave units to Amazon. I clearly seen 2 Xbowz and a cat in Ama's territory (probably out of moves) and next turn they were in the nearest Ama's city and with the Ama's flag.
Then i remember that with a spy i've seen 3 or 4 Ama units in their last city on Comet (the one they took from Mavs) next turn the defenders were 6. No ships in sight. We have OB with CDZ, so a CDZ unit can arrive in that city from Ama's territory, be gifted and upgraded.
I can add that CDZ does not have an army so they are basically Amazon's vassals.

For more, please readthis post.

I think this violates at least section 3 of the rules. I also suspect that their declaration of war violates section 5.4.
But if CDZ is actually played by Ama the violation can be even serious.

Sorry LP,
but this comes in my mind just now.
Amazon took Merlot's island. I'm absolutely sure CDZ were not actively involved in that fight.
To avoid any discussion on that matter, tha in-game log reports that Amazon took all Merlot's cities between 1470 and 1505 AD
But now CDZ have 2 cities in that island.
I noticed that when i gave them a tech (to honor that damn ETT) and asked for their WM. At the moment i did not thought nothing, but now i carefully read the rules.

Now i paused the game, i think there's enough matter for a legal war.

 

[Lord Parkin]

It's possible that someone from CDZ is playing the turns without bothering to log into the forum. It's also possible that someone from Amazon is impersonating someone from CDZ, but I somehow doubt it. What would they have to gain anyway - isn't everyone against us regardless?

Regarding the alleged city gifts from Amazon to CDZ, I'm not sure of the context. I'm also not sure on how strict the rules on city gifting are for this game. Might be worth checking up with the admins if you're concerned about it though.

 

[BLubmuz]

LP, CDZ is neutral.
They have OB and a couple resource deals with us.
They don't want talk (via PM or email) now, they don't accept in game proposals, but they keep the trades we have.

In any case, they're gifting units.

 

[Irgy]

CDZ are neutral in the sense of not having declared war on us and not talking to us, but it would hardly surprise me if they are co-operating with Amazon and/or Quatronia. They may not still be playing to win. I'd expect there's one turn player running the show and everyone else has given up, it's what's happened to all the other teams short of Amazon.

There's no rules against unit gifting in any case.

 

[BLubmuz]

OK, so resuming:
CDZ can gift (or sell, or else) units to anyone.
But i doubt an Amazon team member can play their turns without informing the Admins.
For sure any city gift must be communicated to the Admins and i haven't seen nothing about it.
Then i'm almost sure Amazon moved before to declare the galleon they used to attack our city right after declared. I remember that galleon was 1 or 2 E+1S of the first city they razed and i did not understood why it was there (we were at peace). I'm also sure that the fort they used to move their naval units was not there before the war.

I'm not sure how to read this point of the rules, or if it applies to that situation:

5.4 -- Declaring war

For the purpose of movement, declaring war will count as movement. Once war has been declared, the party declaring war has to finish moving all of their units and end their turn before half of the remaining turn time has elapsed since the declaration of war, or within half an hour, whichever is longer

In cases where a war declaration occurs and the side declared upon (the declared) still has units to move, the declared may still move these units, and this counts as a move for the purpose of which party gets phase 2 in all subsequent turns.

ALL DECLARATIONS OF WAR, AND ENDED TURNS, SHOULD BE DOCUMENTED via screenshot Also, please send an email stating you have declared war. This isn't a rule, it won't be enforced, but as said below it is good manners.

I don't konw if it's too late now or if we can have a chance. This rule doesn't seem perfectly clear to me.

I copied this one in the Admins thread to hear from them.

 

[BLubmuz]

What a satisfaction!
Sunk 5 Ama destroyers and 2 galleons, losing only 1. Now our destroyer is blocking the surviving galleons (loaded with what survived of Ama's SOD) from moving to the center and i can't see ships around.
Ho can it be blocking? thanks to a new system of 3 forts, which should (not tested yet, not enough moves) let our ships move from Bode to Orion.

Finally i managed to see all the graphs. For what is worth, we're still first in any section, but espionage with Ama in orbit.

We're recovering, but we still have too many weak points. A counter attack is out of reach for now. All we can do is prepare many good stacks and be ready to move when needed.

I'm thinking to build the IW in Capital or in Canopus, i think we need it.
After the Globe i built the HE in Rigel. It's on the front line and one of our best productive city. It was a big mistake build the IW in the same city as the HE. They don't multiply the benefits, just sum them.

Radio begins to be in sight and for sure we can gain the circum bonus. 1 move can make the difference. And subs loaded with missiles too.

 

[BLubmuz]

To let it know to anyone is lurking, any comment will be appreciated.
Subscribe to a Demo Game and find yourself playing a solo game is not so nice.

If not for the backstab by Amazon, which made this game a personal challenge, i'd quit.

 

[AlphaShard]

Well I would suggest upping Espionage defenses. I thought you had quit Blub, anyways get some more spies out and Sec Bearu's will help stop techs from being stolen. Also putting all EP against Amazon as well.

 

[BLubmuz]

No, as i said, i continue.
I already put all our EPs on Ama, but they have a ton. If they put spies in small cities, they can do whatever they want. Obviously EP buildings, jails first, will be the priority once we have good chances on the military front.

 

[AlphaShard]

Good to know your still here then, I am as well. Irgy posted too even just to give advice is better then nothing.

Can't wait for us to get Radio then, were going to need to gain some sort of edge and I hope the bombers can do it.

 

[DaveShack]

I pop in once in a while but am not strong enough a player to feel qualified to offer any advice. We're well past the point where LP wiped me off the map in almost every MP game I've ever played. And most of the rest were abandoned by other people.

 

[Trystero]

I haven't been involved with turnplaying in so long, and have so little MP experience, I don't really know how much useful advice I can offer at this point. I'm afraid I won't be much help in the near future since RL stuff is keeping me really busy at the moment.

I agree with Irgy's earlier point that it is mostly like team participation has dropped off for everybody except Amazon, and that's why CDZ isn't actively participating.

 

[BLubmuz]

Not exactly a turn report. Please take a look in the public thread, in case you missed my latest posts. I think it's game over.
BTW if it is, for what is worth, we have won. We are first in score.