It's also the only one in range that's not either the silk or outside the BFC, so I can't imagine we'd go with anything else. This is consistent with:
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It's also the only one in range that's not either the silk or outside the BFC, so I can't imagine we'd go with anything else. This is consistent with:
Lord Parkin
aka emperor
It's going to be quite difficult to road 1E of the capital, given that it's a coastal tile.
Now, 1W on the other hand... 
Sorry, I couldn't resist when you made the same mistake twice in a row.
champinoman
Warlord
Ahh crap. And to think I didn't pick that up. Its because us Aussies *really* want to head east to the great land in that direction.
Lord Parkin
aka emperor
No problem, us Kiwis often have similar desires.Ahh crap. And to think I didn't pick that up. Its because us Aussies *really* want to head east to the great land in that direction.
[Must... Invade... Australia...]
azzaman333
meh
It's going to be quite difficult to road 1E of the capital, given that it's a coastal tile.
Sorry, I couldn't resist when you made the same mistake twice in a row.
I always get east and west confused...
champinoman
Warlord
Back to Irgy's idea. I think it would be a good idea to have a thread relating to exact micro. Discussion can happen in here but we need a clear place for the current micro to be displayed. The main thing though is that whoever creates the thread can constantly update it (the first post) to contain the current plan.
And on that note we need to plan a bit further ahead. Anyone want to start planning up until the 2nd settler is built? We haven't discussed plans for the 2nd city yet and future plans for the capital (more exact than generalisations). If someone wants to make a plan we can then look at it and see how to improve it.
And on that note we need to plan a bit further ahead. Anyone want to start planning up until the 2nd settler is built? We haven't discussed plans for the 2nd city yet and future plans for the capital (more exact than generalisations). If someone wants to make a plan we can then look at it and see how to improve it.
Trystero
Deity
I second (third?) Irgy's/champinoman's suggestion. having a micro thread that could be referred to when playing a turn or playing a test game is a great idea.
WRT the 2nd city: I think we might want to build a WB first, allowing growth, while Lord Parkin (the worker) improves it's gold mine. We probably will want to build a second worker relatively soon, but I'm not sure when without doing the micro. That worker could improve tiles on the home island and/or then be moved to the other island.
I see the immediate building aims in Sirius as: 1. 2nd Settler/2. Library/3. Warrior (?)
4. Galley/3rd Settler/2nd Worker
I am not sure what order to build the galley/settler/worker. I think the warrior was built in one turn with chop overflow in my older micro plan, which may no longer be relevant.
champinoman
Warlord
I think a Granary needs to be built asap in 2nd city (name yet?) if we plan to start whipping over there. That opens a can of worms however because we are not in slavery yet
azzaman333
meh
Revolt to slavery while the settler is moving to the planned city site.
Trystero
Deity
I think a Granary needs to be built asap in 2nd city (name yet?) if we plan to start whipping over there. That opens a can of worms however because we are not in slavery yet
Canopus is the name we were going to go with if we are still following the plan in this thread.
I forgot we've researched Pottery.
I think we might still want to build the the WB first to get the fish hooked up for growth. Unless the neighboring island isn't that big and the exploring WB can get back soon. I don't think we should plan on that, though.That seems reasonable.
Lord Parkin
aka emperor
Don't forget a second exploring Work Boat would be good too (for the opposite direction than we send the first one).
I'll look at working out a specific plan in a few days, when I have a decent amount of spare time.
I'll look at working out a specific plan in a few days, when I have a decent amount of spare time.
pindicator
Emperor
Did we want the 2nd workboat before the first settler, before the library, or after both? (I'm assuming the answer is "after both")
champinoman
Warlord
Off the top of my head I think there is a couple of turns between the Settler finishing and Writing completing to squeeze a WB into. I don't think it gets completed quick enough though so it gets finished after the Library.
Lord Parkin
aka emperor
By 2nd workboat I presume you mean the one after the one we're currently producing? It gets a bit confusing because we've already produced 2 Work Boats, and are presently building our 3rd.
I'm pretty sure there is no gap between finishing the Settler and finishing Writing. Or maybe that was in my original plan, without Animal Husbandry.
pindicator
Emperor
Sorry, I meant exploratory work boats. In my mind we're working on our first wb and the second is the second wb is the one I had a question on.
If we do have a gap, I'd prefer the 2nd exploring wb out before we do a warrior. We still won't need happiness for a while.
champinoman
Warlord
Is it needed? Can someone check and see if our island is fogbusted after the 2nd cities first border pop?
If so then the existing warrior can be used in capital as happiness warrior.
Yeah, I presume it was referring to 2ns exploratory workboat.
I believe that was the original. The 3 turn delay on getting writing is the reason for the discussion between tech'ing AH or not. Its a nice opportunity to get something partially built in there so its quicker to complete after the Library.
Only one person said yes, but no-one said no. No-one else volunteered to set it up, so I've gone ahead and done it:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9181078
Ok, so someone correct me if I'm wrong, but:
Library = 90 hammers
We are working 3 gold + 3 gold + 2 city = 8 hammers, x2 (for creative) = 16 hammers per turn on library.
One chop provides 20x2=40 hammers.
Three turns after writing then we'll have 40 + 3x16 = 88 hammers.
Therefore, a single overflow hammer (doubled to 2 hammers by creative) will result in the library a turn earlier.
So, for that reason alone, we want to build something (I expect a warrior is then the only option) that completes (and overflows at least one hammer) on the turn we discover Writing, rather than switching from building something else that turn and getting no overflow. This will get the library a turn earlier.
Alternatively, we can grow to size 5 and work silk for a turn. Someone needs to check whether we grow to size 5 before the library or not (without moving off the gold or anything silly like that), from what I understood though we don't.
Library = 90 hammers
We are working 3 gold + 3 gold + 2 city = 8 hammers, x2 (for creative) = 16 hammers per turn on library.
One chop provides 20x2=40 hammers.
Three turns after writing then we'll have 40 + 3x16 = 88 hammers.
Therefore, a single overflow hammer (doubled to 2 hammers by creative) will result in the library a turn earlier.
So, for that reason alone, we want to build something (I expect a warrior is then the only option) that completes (and overflows at least one hammer) on the turn we discover Writing, rather than switching from building something else that turn and getting no overflow. This will get the library a turn earlier.
Alternatively, we can grow to size 5 and work silk for a turn. Someone needs to check whether we grow to size 5 before the library or not (without moving off the gold or anything silly like that), from what I understood though we don't.
Lord Parkin
aka emperor
Looks like a good argument to me. And yes, we should have the Library prior to growing to size 5. I'll try to test it out tomorrow.
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