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General_W
Councilor & Merlot Noble
5 days and counting...
Anyone around at Piffle HQ?
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
Piffle emailed.
killercane
Deity
I tried to get someone else to play the save, but no response. I also floated the idea to call the game if Aloha and Innovia want to. Would this be something the others want to do?
General_W
Councilor & Merlot Noble
Well – just speaking for myself – if the game is going to continue at this strangling slow place, I'd be personally willing to accept the surrender of all the other teams.
Then we can move directly to planning a BTS game on a smaller map with enforceable turn time limits to ensure the next game doesn't die a gasping death.
It'd be a shame to end it all now though… I've got such wonderful plans for the "Farewell Team Innovia" video!
… not to mention a really brilliant video for when The Leader sends the first ship to Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
In the meantime – the muse gripped me and I produced a nice little video dedicated to the pace of this game (and the Civ3 MTDG & Grudgematch).
Make sure to swing by the EEN video thread to check it out!
Then we can move directly to planning a BTS game on a smaller map with enforceable turn time limits to ensure the next game doesn't die a gasping death.
It'd be a shame to end it all now though… I've got such wonderful plans for the "Farewell Team Innovia" video!
… not to mention a really brilliant video for when The Leader sends the first ship to Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
In the meantime – the muse gripped me and I produced a nice little video dedicated to the pace of this game (and the Civ3 MTDG & Grudgematch).
Make sure to swing by the EEN video thread to check it out!
robboo
Deity
I would have to ask my massive team if they want to quit...( tongue firmly in check)
i suggest a pitboss BTS. That way time of turns is enforced...by the game code. It would be easy to set up if we had a host and each team could regulate who and when people could go in. That would be my vote.
And yes I have dropped the ball often. And the timing of getting the turns has sucked for me lately.
i suggest a pitboss BTS. That way time of turns is enforced...by the game code. It would be easy to set up if we had a host and each team could regulate who and when people could go in. That would be my vote.
And yes I have dropped the ball often. And the timing of getting the turns has sucked for me lately.
Kylearan
compound eye
Ending the game is really a shame, as it could have become quite interesting if all teams were still at their full strength activity-wise. But as it is now, it's really no fun. 
General_W
Councilor & Merlot Noble
Since this seems to be turning into a discussion thread... (And why not? It's hardly being used otherwise! 
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Pitboss is appealing for a lot of reasons - but I still think the PBEM format is superior for Demo Games - for 2 big reasons...
That said - before I sign up for a BTS multi-team demo game, I'd want to be 100% sure that we had rules in place to keep the save moving and a moderator willing to donate the time to enforce those rules. Opening the save and hitting "enter" after an agreed upon amount of time has passed without an extension request. Or else just a pitboss game. This would be my second choice - but still better than what we're doing currently.
I'd rather play on a team - but I'm also willing to volunteer as a moderator for the next game... especially if I'm allowed access to every teams forum and am granted the freedom to participate by running a "non-partisan news service" or something
) Pitboss is appealing for a lot of reasons - but I still think the PBEM format is superior for Demo Games - for 2 big reasons...
- 1) It allows flexibility for war and diplomacy... if a team needs to ask for an extension, one can be granted. In Pitboss there's no opportunity for this.
- 2) It has a much lower technical hurdle for people to participate. More people can easily get the save, look at it, & offer input. I'm afraid a Pitboss game would just become a game of individual turnplayers against eachother with occasional commentary from the gallery.... losing some of the joy of the MTDG format.
That said - before I sign up for a BTS multi-team demo game, I'd want to be 100% sure that we had rules in place to keep the save moving and a moderator willing to donate the time to enforce those rules. Opening the save and hitting "enter" after an agreed upon amount of time has passed without an extension request. Or else just a pitboss game. This would be my second choice - but still better than what we're doing currently.
I'd rather play on a team - but I'm also willing to volunteer as a moderator for the next game... especially if I'm allowed access to every teams forum and am granted the freedom to participate by running a "non-partisan news service" or something
Joe Harker
1st in the Premiership!
I totally agree, i couldn't play a pitboss game so i couldn't play/look at the save (can't now but thats not the point) and therefore would probably not paritcapte as much as i could when i can open the save.
I'd rather play on a team - but I'm also willing to volunteer as a moderator for the next game... especially if I'm allowed access to every teams forum and am granted the freedom to participate by running a "non-partisan news service" or something
You could be a nicer verison less biased of Rupert Murdoch!
(hopefully....)
The pitboss admin can always pause the turn timer if an extension is requested. But that brings us back to the important matter of the Game Administrator being an active participant in the game - not just a passive bystander.
I would eagerly volunteer to admin a game, but I don't have a computer to host it on.
Alternatively, if it's decided that a PBEM is preferred, I would still volunteer to admin - and the turn timer would be enforced. I took over administering a Diplomacy game in The Council's civ3 mtdg, so you can contact them to get a feel for my credentials
For the record, I vote Don't end the game
If that means that a team needs a new turn player, I will gladly (and honorably) switch teams to become turnplayer for a team that's lacking.
The way I see it, once a game begins and everyone involved has acknowledged their role in playing the game out to the end, every member of every team is responsible for seeing the game through to its logical conclusion. Games that end by default are pitiful.
I would eagerly volunteer to admin a game, but I don't have a computer to host it on.
Alternatively, if it's decided that a PBEM is preferred, I would still volunteer to admin - and the turn timer would be enforced. I took over administering a Diplomacy game in The Council's civ3 mtdg, so you can contact them to get a feel for my credentials
For the record, I vote Don't end the game
If that means that a team needs a new turn player, I will gladly (and honorably) switch teams to become turnplayer for a team that's lacking.
The way I see it, once a game begins and everyone involved has acknowledged their role in playing the game out to the end, every member of every team is responsible for seeing the game through to its logical conclusion. Games that end by default are pitiful.
killercane
Deity
The game has reached its logical conclusion. You dont have to "accept" Piffle's resignation, you all can just play on amongst yourselves on Team Epsilon or whatever you want to do. The game is A) Not interesting and B) Ive been way too busy lately. Considering my wife's water is about to break its only going to get much worse, unless Peter and General W come babysit. Furiey cant open the save, Whomp is womanizing somewhere, and Conroe had enough of you all long ago.The pitboss admin can always pause the turn timer if an extension is requested. But that brings us back to the important matter of the Game Administrator being an active participant in the game - not just a passive bystander.
I would eagerly volunteer to admin a game, but I don't have a computer to host it on.
Alternatively, if it's decided that a PBEM is preferred, I would still volunteer to admin - and the turn timer would be enforced. I took over administering a Diplomacy game in The Council's civ3 mtdg, so you can contact them to get a feel for my credentials
For the record, I vote Don't end the game
If that means that a team needs a new turn player, I will gladly (and honorably) switch teams to become turnplayer for a team that's lacking.
The way I see it, once a game begins and everyone involved has acknowledged their role in playing the game out to the end, every member of every team is responsible for seeing the game through to its logical conclusion. Games that end by default are pitiful.
The thing is a relic. Lets just move on.
Kylearan
compound eye
Hi,
In my opinion, the game could have been a lot more interesting if all teams would have taken it more seriously, and/or would have communicated more amongst each other. For example, a "united we stand against the Epsilon threat!"-like war against us would have made the game very interesting even now.
Not winning might be boring to you. But consider our point of view: We have put a lot of effort into this game, discussing endlessly, sending out long and thoughtful diplomatic letters all the time to other teams and what not. And what happened? More often than not, no answers came back, or only after prompting several times. The save did not get played. Teams fell apart. Sorry, but it's not our fault the game is not interesting to you. We have done our best.
It's especially sad for our two turn players, DaveMcW and Memphus, who both did a fantastic job moving this game along for our team. They started discussions, listened to what we wanted to do, translated this into actual turns, and made unbelievably great turn reports of what happened so that we in turn knew what was going on in the game. I can only imagine how reactions like "uh, this game is not interesting, play it among yourselves if you really want to finish it, it's a relic, let's move on" must feel to them.
I consider this to be bad sportsmanship, but since it makes little sense to play against opponents who clearly don't want to play anymore, I guess I vote for stopping the game as well.
Good luck and all the best!
-Kylearan
Why this negativity?
In my opinion, the game could have been a lot more interesting if all teams would have taken it more seriously, and/or would have communicated more amongst each other. For example, a "united we stand against the Epsilon threat!"-like war against us would have made the game very interesting even now.Not winning might be boring to you. But consider our point of view: We have put a lot of effort into this game, discussing endlessly, sending out long and thoughtful diplomatic letters all the time to other teams and what not. And what happened? More often than not, no answers came back, or only after prompting several times. The save did not get played. Teams fell apart. Sorry, but it's not our fault the game is not interesting to you. We have done our best.
It's especially sad for our two turn players, DaveMcW and Memphus, who both did a fantastic job moving this game along for our team. They started discussions, listened to what we wanted to do, translated this into actual turns, and made unbelievably great turn reports of what happened so that we in turn knew what was going on in the game. I can only imagine how reactions like "uh, this game is not interesting, play it among yourselves if you really want to finish it, it's a relic, let's move on" must feel to them.
I consider this to be bad sportsmanship, but since it makes little sense to play against opponents who clearly don't want to play anymore, I guess I vote for stopping the game as well.
At least I can relate to that, as my wife's water is about to break as well.
Good luck and all the best! -Kylearan
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
No need to get all judgey about how the other teams played. Team Epsilon has clearly done a very good job and I think they deserve to have the game completed. That way it can get into their HoF if they wish, but we can all get the end of game summary and evidently another EEN vid.
Innovia is going just as strong as we were 5 cities ago and we are in favor of Peter Grimes switching teams if Piffle has no one to play saves.
We also want to point out that a UN victory is probably much closer than a space victory and after you defeat us and we all join Epsilon that’s exactly what we’ll propose.
Innovia is going just as strong as we were 5 cities ago and we are in favor of Peter Grimes switching teams if Piffle has no one to play saves.
We also want to point out that a UN victory is probably much closer than a space victory and after you defeat us and we all join Epsilon that’s exactly what we’ll propose.
killercane
Deity
Well if you guys can find a time where we could all play through it in a few hours that would be ok as well. I can do that. Get all you eager beavers at Epsilon together, and we do it by msn with Robboo and 1889.
Everyone has put a lot of effort into the game. No one said it was your fault. I could care less about your definition of sportsmanship and namecalling; I took over for a while after C stepped down after the last bit of whining and generally annoying comments in this thread and if I recall he was a fill in after others stepped down.
Congrats on the newest addition, you are truly a baby factory.
Everyone has put a lot of effort into the game. No one said it was your fault. I could care less about your definition of sportsmanship and namecalling; I took over for a while after C stepped down after the last bit of whining and generally annoying comments in this thread and if I recall he was a fill in after others stepped down.
Congrats on the newest addition, you are truly a baby factory.
the onyl thing is Epsilon Turns take me ~1 hour each....
General_W
Councilor & Merlot Noble
I hope this comment isn't directed at mekillercane said:
Maybe I just developed unrealistic expectations after playing in the first MTDG (Civ3) where the 4 teams proceed pretty much start to finish without more than a handful of "bumps" needing to be posted.
For my part - all I can say is that I was sincerely trying to be helpful (assuming that after 48 hours without notice of any kind that the save had legitimately been forgotten).
I still don't really understand why that seemed to be taken as a personal insult so many times, but for my part - I apologize for any hard feelings I created. It's just a game after all.
Maybe we need 2 different MTDGs next time. One for people that want to keep the save moving at a brisk pace and one for people who don't ever want to be harassed even if they disappear for a few days.
EDIT: oh - and with the length of time it takes to play Epsilon's save, I agree - it may be best to just send Peter on over to Piffle.
killercane
Deity
Well if Peter wants to do so, then the directions should be simple. Have an admin put him on our forum.
An MSN meeting is still the fastest and most efficient way for you guys to get to a conclusion. You dont have so many cities that MMing should take more than 10-15 minutes; its drafting the turn report that takes time, and you can do that during the break while the other teams finish.
And my bad, I thought the General was having another baby. Congratulations Kylearan. Only it ruins my "General W will have another 3 kids before we get done with this MTDG" joke.
An MSN meeting is still the fastest and most efficient way for you guys to get to a conclusion. You dont have so many cities that MMing should take more than 10-15 minutes; its drafting the turn report that takes time, and you can do that during the break while the other teams finish.
And my bad, I thought the General was having another baby. Congratulations Kylearan. Only it ruins my "General W will have another 3 kids before we get done with this MTDG" joke
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