Turnchat Reformation

[blackheart]

I propose that we revise the current turnchat system to allow AT LEAST 4 days inbetween TCs so we can better facilitate discussions. I'm thinking maybe we should have One TC per Week, with 2-3 one turn TCs inbetween to trade, make peace/war, etc.

So to sum it up:
* At least 4 days inbetween TCs
* I propose at least 1 full TC every week
** Under the 1 TC per week, with 2-3 one turn TCs to decide matters of trade, war/peace, etc.

Under this system we will have enough time to discuss options and to properly poll them, we wouldn't have to rush vital discussions. With more one turn TCs we can efficiently and properly do trade and maximize our options and gain by continuously trading, instead of just waiting for the next TC and miss out on trade because the DP moves on in turn and the Trade Ministry doesn't have the adequate info or power to do trades during the TC.

 

[GenMarshall]

No more Asian Babe on your avatar anymore Blackheart ?
That's because I asked him to remove it.
Anyway, I agree to this .

 

[Strider]

So, what would happen if there is nothing to discuss? So we've got four days of doing nothing?

I agree, we sometimes need more time, but this would slow the game down, and I bet partcipation would drop. We need flexibility, we must beable get enough time to run polls an discussions, when we need to, or to hurry up a TC, when we need to.

 

[invy]

Seems fine to me. But don't make this as 1 turn TCs all the time for every little thing.
We should continue as we did now with 1 turn TC when we contacted Germans and other continent, and with 4 days 10turn TCs.

 

[Black_Hole]

i like this idea in general, it takes less power away from ppl that do go to chats and gives citizens more time to discusss, and btw I have felt this game going pretty fast....

 

[snipelfritz]

Yeah, this sounds like a really good idea, it seems as if polls are being rushed between TCs.

 

[blackheart]

This is just a rough draft and will be revised as more ideas are inputted. I agree we need more flexibility. The one turn TCs will only come up when there's the need for them.

 

[Ginger_Ale]

This is what we've been doing...Wednesday to Sunday = 1/2 of Wed, Thurs., Frid., Sat., and 1/2 of Sunday = 4 days. 4 days is enough time to discuss. 2 days of discussion, 2 days of polling for science leaders, military plans, etc. The only reason this one was crowded was because of Friday's special turnchat.

Not every week we'll need 2 days of discussion, and 2 days of poll. We probably won't need a 1 turn turnchat every week either. Like Strider said, we need to be able to adapt to what the situation is.

 

[Strider]

Yeah, this sounds like a really good idea, it seems as if polls are being rushed between TCs.

Polls are being rush, not because of lack of time, but because were polling the wrong things.

Instead of polling inwhich direction we should take our next step, our leaders should be polling inwhich direction should we walk. We've had turnchats like this ever sense the first demogame, and now all of a sudden were having problems with it? That doesn't sound like something wrong with the game to me.

The key to being a leader is not to go running to the house, ask the house what they want, and then you choose the best way to get there. We elect leaders for the ability to make the right choices, but it seems to me that our leaders our unable to make a decision by themself.

 

[blackheart]

Polls are being rush, not because of lack of time, but because were polling the wrong things.

Instead of polling inwhich direction we should take our next step, our leaders should be polling inwhich direction should we walk. We've had turnchats like this ever sense the first demogame, and now all of a sudden were having problems with it? That doesn't sound like something wrong with the game to me.

The key to being a leader is not to go running to the house, ask the house what they want, and then you choose the best way to get there. We elect leaders for the ability to make the right choices, but it seems to me that our leaders our unable to make a decision by themself.

If all of the sudden we did this then people would say we're being undemocratic and not listening to the WOTP. It just depends on the playing style of the leader.

The reason I want to reform TCs is that we're missing a lot of trade opportunities and some departments (like trade) operate on a per chance basis, so having one turn TCs would help them speed trade along and decide what to do next, instead of having to wait 10 turns before the next trade.

 

[Chieftess]

Polls are being rush, not because of lack of time, but because were polling the wrong things.

Instead of polling inwhich direction we should take our next step, our leaders should be polling inwhich direction should we walk. We've had turnchats like this ever sense the first demogame, and now all of a sudden were having problems with it? That doesn't sound like something wrong with the game to me.

The key to being a leader is not to go running to the house, ask the house what they want, and then you choose the best way to get there. We elect leaders for the ability to make the right choices, but it seems to me that our leaders our unable to make a decision by themself.

Exactly.

Back when Strider was science advisor, for example, he had science queue polls (look in the DG1 archives) with the next 5 or so techs to research. None of this, "Reseach tech A, and if we get it, stop." stuff. Science should be looking at what Trade is doing so that they don't need useless polls, too.

 

[classical_hero]

Exactly.

Back when Strider was science advisor, for example, he had science queue polls (look in the DG1 archives) with the next 5 or so techs to research. None of this, "Reseach tech A, and if we get it, stop." stuff. Science should be looking at what Trade is doing so that they don't need useless polls, too.

I'm glad you are pleased with our work. Since we now have a tech lead, it seems that Trade will be a bit silent until we can be trading luxuries. It seems that everyone is following our tech path.
On Topic. Maybe we could have each TC every 3 1/2 days. That would mean that one TC would be a night and one would be early in the morning. This would be good because this DemoGame have members from around the world. That would leave us one day for discussion adn two days for polling. This would leave the 1/2 day for instructions to be left on the TCIT so that things are very clear for the President to follow. This would also allow is to have 2 TC's every week.

EDIT. Maybe science sould continue with it's what to research after this tech, but it has to be a continuous polling system so that science could have a research queue that can talk into account that sometimes people only want to research one tech in a certain path and then research something else. Obviously the faster we move in our research, the better science has to be in making sure that the queue is good enough.

 

[Chieftess]

I'm glad you are pleased with our work. Since we now have a tech lead, it seems that Trade will be a bit silent until we can be trading luxuries. It seems that everyone is following our tech path.
On Topic. Maybe we could have each TC every 3 1/2 days. That would mean that one TC would be a night and one would be early in the morning.

That's what I've been doing for the past month and a half. I just had to jugle dates this week because of the 1-turn turnchat.

 

[classical_hero]

That's what I've been doing for the past month and a half. I just had to jugle dates this week because of the 1-turn turnchat.

ATM moment the time between TC is either 3 days or 4 days. Let's say that the Sunday TC is at 11:00pm then the next one would be at Thurday 11:00am for example. If my maths is right, that would be 3 1/2 days apart. This is just and example. ATM the TC are Wednesday at 7:00pm and Sunday 1:00pm. This is a gap of 90 hours and 78. This is for arguments sake, gaps of 4 and three days. This should be discussed.

 

[Chieftess]

It's close enough in my book. I can't have one chat at 11:00am, and another at 11:00pm. Unless the 11:00am one is on a Sunday, I'm at work. And the 11:00pm one, I'm sleeping. In early morning turnchats, a lot of people usually can't make it.

 

[MOTH]

I agree that there is enough time now. The real question comes down to how each leader plans ahead. You can't plan or poll every little detail as the polls need to be flexible enough to deal with polls and changing circumstances in other departments. Even if we had 10 days between chat you couldn't get this done as their would be a chicken and egg thing.

 

[blackheart]

The one turn TC issue is being neglected here. We need more of these to handle matters of trade. Hell, they don't even have to be one turn! They came be same turn just as long as trade can get a profitable deal with everyone.

I also think TCs should be pushed or moved forward if the ministers need time for polls or citizen input on really important subjects.

 

[classical_hero]

It's close enough in my book. I can't have one chat at 11:00am, and another at 11:00pm. Unless the 11:00am one is on a Sunday, I'm at work. And the 11:00pm one, I'm sleeping. In early morning turnchats, a lot of people usually can't make it.

I was just using those time as an example. My point is that we should have so early morning TC, from most people's perpective, because it is actually a reasonable time here, half the way across the world. Can some fellow Aussies back me up on this one please.

 

[DaveShack]

We have had some past successes with short sessions in the past, like the 1 turn chats proposed here. There needs to be an announcement about what is happening, and it needs to follow the standard procedure (instruction thread, chat log, etc.)

We will soon reach the time of marathon chat sessions, if we're ever at war again with huge numbers of units.

 

[ravensfire]

I was just using those time as an example. My point is that we should have so early morning TC, from most people's perpective, because it is actually a reasonable time here, half the way across the world. Can some fellow Aussies back me up on this one please.

We are, in part, playing the vanilla version of Civ3 to permit all interested person to play the DG. It's odd that we would not also give equal respect to those that live in in time zones radically different from the President. "Back to Primetime Turnchats!" - who's primetime? Not everyone's ...

-- Ravensfire