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UA vs UA Babylon vs Sweden

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Denkt, Jul 5, 2012.

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whose UA do you find more usefull

  1. Babylon's UA is more usefull

    15 vote(s)
    42.9%
  2. Sweden's UA is more usefull

    6 vote(s)
    17.1%
  3. It depends on the situation

    13 vote(s)
    37.1%
  4. Don't know

    1 vote(s)
    2.9%
  1. Denkt

    Denkt Reader

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    Sorry if this have been done before and sorry for bad spelling.

    I find that Babylon's and Sweden's UA is similar because both helps in generating great persons. So I ask you who's you find most usefull and why.

    The other things unique aboth the civs are of no importence in this disscusion, just the UA's.

    Babylon: One free great scientist (doese not increase great person point cost for next great person) then you get the tech writing and 50% to great scientist growth rate.

    Sweden: 10% to great person growth rate for each dof (the civs you dof with gain a 10% great person growth rate bonus each) and you can gift every type of great person to city-states for 90 influence.

    I chose it depends because you have to do more work with your diplomacy to make the Swedish UA strong which can limit you however Swedens bonus helps generating all the great person you get from specialist. Babylons only help with getting great scientist but you always have it.
     
  2. Khadroth

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    It absolutely depends on the situation. Science victory will likely be Babylon unless Sweden can keep up +50% modifier or better the whole game. But any other victory type would favor Sweden since Babylon's only applies to GS's.
     
  3. danieladler

    danieladler Chieftain

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    You can apparently not gift great prophets to CS, is what i have learned from playing the swedes quite a bit by now. Any other GP will do.
     
  4. Mesix

    Mesix Sweet Alex

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    Good to know. I was planning to gift a Great Prophet to the next CS in my current game (since I am already allied with the ones I have met). Now I will build a tile improvement rather than saving him for the UA influence.
     
  5. Denkt

    Denkt Reader

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    I didn't know that because I haven't tried, only read about others who have said you can gift great prophet's to city-states as Sweden.
     
  6. Monthar

    Monthar Chieftain

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    It depends on who the other civs are, what map type and how large the map is. If you're playing on a huge map and are able to DoF with 10 or more of the civs, you can crank out a lot of GS's much earlier than Babylon.
     
  7. mike678

    mike678 Chieftain

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    I completely disagree with that the only situation where Sweden would be is diplomatic. You need a every bit of science possible for culture victories to get get key wonders and lets face it domination makes the ability quite useless.
     
  8. themascarasnake

    themascarasnake Chieftain

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    Great Scientists are the best great people (especially in the early game) regardless of victory condition. Artists/Engineers only begin to surpass them in the mid-to-late game if you're going culture.
     
  9. Khadroth

    Khadroth Chieftain

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    So much Sweden bashing that it's getting kind of hilarious. Even if you do go full on Domination as Sweden you should still be getting benefits right up until the last civ. As for any other great person you can turn them around and gift them to City States saving you money, getting you resources/faith/culture, and bulbs/chance at another GP gift, if you went Patronage like you should have with Gustavus.

    So I'm going to have to disagree completely with you. Babylon is not better for a cultural victory.

    ...So getting an early landmark in a cultural game wouldn't be as good as an early scientist? Based on what? Cultural victories only require you hit certain tech benchmarks, you can win the game before ever reaching the end of the tree. Half the time in a cultural game you're limited by how fast you can build the wonders, not the tech to acquire them.

    And similarly you're making an argument that a GE for an instant Hubble/Oxford/Porcelain Tower is worse than a single GS in every situation except mid-late game cultural victories? Rofl, everything is situational guys, but not that situational.
     
  10. GenjiKhan

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    Strange . I've played a game where I skipped founding religion,by giving all the Great prophets I've got to city-states .
     
  11. Eagle Pursuit

    Eagle Pursuit Scir-Gerefa

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    He may have tried to gift them after using them to spread religion. Since there are other similar restrictions on Prophets, there could be one on gifting as well.
     

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