I'm willing to forego a North African war when larger pressures arise, and I'd assume any sane leader would do the same. Appearantly, that would disclude the Swedish King, who would disobey common sense for the destruction of a not-so arch nemesis.
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As tensions strain, the French are less and less likely to remain neutral.... and I warn you, France can be a pivot in a war. So don't provoke us, either side.
AnarchyRulz
Endless Bummer
To Prussia:
As soon as our borders meet, I wish to sign a Right of Passage. This way, our armies can attack together or defend together. If we are attacked, we can counterattack fast and effictively.
To France:
We want you to understand that if you decide to go to war we will support you. Also, if you stay nuetral, we will support you.
To Sweden and Italy:
We urge you to end this foolish war. You are the agressor. If you dare attack any British Ship or army, consider yourselves at war with Russia(and perhaps Prussia).
To Britain:
We ask for an alliance if Sweden and Italy if they attack you.
As soon as our borders meet, I wish to sign a Right of Passage. This way, our armies can attack together or defend together. If we are attacked, we can counterattack fast and effictively.
To France:
We want you to understand that if you decide to go to war we will support you. Also, if you stay nuetral, we will support you.
To Sweden and Italy:
We urge you to end this foolish war. You are the agressor. If you dare attack any British Ship or army, consider yourselves at war with Russia(and perhaps Prussia).
To Britain:
We ask for an alliance if Sweden and Italy if they attack you.
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Russia: Thank you for your kind support in these troubled times. France hopes that war will not be necessary, in any case, since we are a peace-loving people.
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By the by, have you guys seen the Apolyton NES? It's pretty strange... I'm glad I'm not as weak as the French player in UKNES2A! 
They lost one of their own provinces to Italy...
They lost one of their own provinces to Italy...
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lol, well firstly I made sure I grabbed everything you wanted while you were away Troq., and some more 
Also, Trickey isn't the most experienced player I'm afraid. But he does now have the armies to take it all back...
Oh, and Troquelet, in reply to your question, if two people you have Mutual Protection Pacts with, it's usually the defender you side with(as you are protecting them lol). But then again, you may decide to side with the others. It's up to you.
MAJOR RULE CHANGE
I've been thinking about in Civ3, nations hate you if you break a right of passage agreement and use it to attack them. This will be reflected in the game by all of that civ's armies defending at +1 against the aggressor for that turn(to reflect the anger against them. This includes against those you've sneaked into their capital using the passage rights!). Those of you who say it should be more, remember that the attacker would have the advantage of surprise, but doesn't get a bonus because once the betrayal has been realised, they will have one hell of a fight on their hands, as the bonus shows.
Anyway, Libyan responses:
TO SPAIN
FROM LIBYA
We will gladly sign a mutual protection pact with you, and will also allow you right of passage through our provinces and our seas(including I, K and L, because we consider these Libyan and Italian waters, or just international waters).
TO FRANCE
FROM LIBYA
We will happily accept your two credits next turn. Also, we will sign a Mutual Protection Pact with you.
Libya doesn't hide it's sympathies for the United Kingdom. The Swedish had no right to that land, but Libya will remain neutral.
COMBAT REPORTS:
Well, Austria took 56 before the Russians just by a show of force(2 armies to 1).
Sweden(1 fleet) v Britain(1 fleet) in Sea E
The Swedish won this bitter duel, and went on to land troops in Denmark.
Losses: 1 British fleet
Sweden(4 armies) v Britain(3 armies and 1 militia) in Denmark(38)
The Swedish were unable to inflict any serious casualties on the British, but suffered 50% losses themselves(sorry .:KNAS:., those dice were really against you! Even the militia managed a kill!).
The remaining two Swedish armies retreated, leaving Denmark in British hands.
Losses: 2 Swedish armies
UPDATED MAP:
CREDITS FOR THE NEXT TURN (Already has upkeep deducted)
Russia has 16 credits to spend!
Britain has 15 credits to spend!
Turkey has 17 credits to spend!
Italy has 10 credits to spend!
Sweden has 12 credits to spend!
Prussia has 30 credits to spend!
Spain has 23 credits to spend!
Austria has 16 credits to spend!
France has 11 credits to spend!
Libya has 15 credits to spend!
As you can see from France, Sweden and Italy, upkeep is really mounting up! You can disband units, btw.
Good luck and good hunting!
Nemesis
Also, Trickey isn't the most experienced player I'm afraid. But he does now have the armies to take it all back...
Oh, and Troquelet, in reply to your question, if two people you have Mutual Protection Pacts with, it's usually the defender you side with(as you are protecting them lol). But then again, you may decide to side with the others. It's up to you.
MAJOR RULE CHANGE
I've been thinking about in Civ3, nations hate you if you break a right of passage agreement and use it to attack them. This will be reflected in the game by all of that civ's armies defending at +1 against the aggressor for that turn(to reflect the anger against them. This includes against those you've sneaked into their capital using the passage rights!). Those of you who say it should be more, remember that the attacker would have the advantage of surprise, but doesn't get a bonus because once the betrayal has been realised, they will have one hell of a fight on their hands, as the bonus shows.
Anyway, Libyan responses:
TO SPAIN
FROM LIBYA
We will gladly sign a mutual protection pact with you, and will also allow you right of passage through our provinces and our seas(including I, K and L, because we consider these Libyan and Italian waters, or just international waters).
TO FRANCE
FROM LIBYA
We will happily accept your two credits next turn. Also, we will sign a Mutual Protection Pact with you.
Libya doesn't hide it's sympathies for the United Kingdom. The Swedish had no right to that land, but Libya will remain neutral.
COMBAT REPORTS:
Well, Austria took 56 before the Russians just by a show of force(2 armies to 1).
Sweden(1 fleet) v Britain(1 fleet) in Sea E
The Swedish won this bitter duel, and went on to land troops in Denmark.
Losses: 1 British fleet
Sweden(4 armies) v Britain(3 armies and 1 militia) in Denmark(38)
The Swedish were unable to inflict any serious casualties on the British, but suffered 50% losses themselves(sorry .:KNAS:., those dice were really against you! Even the militia managed a kill!).
The remaining two Swedish armies retreated, leaving Denmark in British hands.
Losses: 2 Swedish armies
UPDATED MAP:
CREDITS FOR THE NEXT TURN (Already has upkeep deducted)
Russia has 16 credits to spend!
Britain has 15 credits to spend!
Turkey has 17 credits to spend!
Italy has 10 credits to spend!
Sweden has 12 credits to spend!
Prussia has 30 credits to spend!
Spain has 23 credits to spend!
Austria has 16 credits to spend!
France has 11 credits to spend!
Libya has 15 credits to spend!
As you can see from France, Sweden and Italy, upkeep is really mounting up! You can disband units, btw.
Good luck and good hunting!
Nemesis
AnarchyRulz
Endless Bummer
To Sweden:
Consider yoursef at war. We give you direct orders not to attack yet you still do.
To Italy:
Your at war with Russia.
To Britian:
We wish to ally with you.
To Prussia and Austria
We, the Russians, wish to form a MPP with you two great nations to form the "European Sovernty Alliance" or ESA. Together, we will be the most powerful nations in the world.
To The World:
We, the great Russian people, will end this bloody conflict. We are sorry to say it has come to war. We wish for other nations to do their part to stop wars in Europe.
Consider yoursef at war. We give you direct orders not to attack yet you still do.
To Italy:
Your at war with Russia.
To Britian:
We wish to ally with you.
To Prussia and Austria
We, the Russians, wish to form a MPP with you two great nations to form the "European Sovernty Alliance" or ESA. Together, we will be the most powerful nations in the world.
To The World:
We, the great Russian people, will end this bloody conflict. We are sorry to say it has come to war. We wish for other nations to do their part to stop wars in Europe.
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Oh, and who is at war with who?! I need to know, cause if your fleets are in the same sea, they fight etc, and I need to know if you are travelling through an ally's province or attacking that province!
Please everyone, in your PMs, declare who you are at war with(I'll make it a new part of the map update, who's at war)and if you are attacking a province, please say that you are attacking, not just "go to"!
Nemesis
Please everyone, in your PMs, declare who you are at war with(I'll make it a new part of the map update, who's at war)and if you are attacking a province, please say that you are attacking, not just "go to"!
Nemesis
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Finally, for both NESs I'm working on a Diplomatic Picture(like the Diplomatic Advisor screen in Civ3).
This will be posted with the map at each update, and show the relations between everyone(likely colours: green means allied(mutual protection pact(MPP)), red means at war, yellow means neutral, and blue means non-aggression pact(NAP). The other agreement is a right of passage one, which can be between neutral, allied and NAP countries, unlike the others, and so can't be shown by a colour. This will instead be shown by the line being dashed.
Nemesis
This will be posted with the map at each update, and show the relations between everyone(likely colours: green means allied(mutual protection pact(MPP)), red means at war, yellow means neutral, and blue means non-aggression pact(NAP). The other agreement is a right of passage one, which can be between neutral, allied and NAP countries, unlike the others, and so can't be shown by a colour. This will instead be shown by the line being dashed.
Nemesis
To: Juliennew of Libya
Me, Sweden and Italy are currently at war, and as part of the MPP I hope that you will follow through and declare war on them as well. I'm sorry that our alliance must be tested so soon, but things come up and along with them problems.
We should cooperate in taking out that Italian fleet in sea I. It presents a huge threat to both of us, and we will commit our naval forces to defeating it.
We look forward to punishing the Italians in the Mediterranean for their foolhardy moves against our allies.
[OOC] Pardon my saying, but I'm presuming you are female by your name. I wouldn't ask if you weren't French, and I'm not too fimiliar as Julienne could easily mean an English Julian
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To: Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte of France
As both of us are now allied to Libya an MPP would be no more than a formality. We are upset by your massing of armies in Flandres, and are afraid that this might be a move against our ally in London. Such a move would cause a large confusion in the Mediterranean. We hope that you will refrain from any such rash actions.
I hope you will realize that the Italians are forcing our hand on this matter. The armada they have in the Mediterranean can only be a move against me or my (and your) ally. Therefore, we hope that you will not be offended by this.
To: King William III of England
Spain has your back as we always will in foreign affairs. The Anglo-Spanish alliance remains strong, and we will fight for us and you in the Mediterranean.
Godspeed.
Me, Sweden and Italy are currently at war, and as part of the MPP I hope that you will follow through and declare war on them as well. I'm sorry that our alliance must be tested so soon, but things come up and along with them problems.
We should cooperate in taking out that Italian fleet in sea I. It presents a huge threat to both of us, and we will commit our naval forces to defeating it.
We look forward to punishing the Italians in the Mediterranean for their foolhardy moves against our allies.
[OOC] Pardon my saying, but I'm presuming you are female by your name. I wouldn't ask if you weren't French, and I'm not too fimiliar as Julienne could easily mean an English Julian
.[/OOC]To: Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte of France
As both of us are now allied to Libya an MPP would be no more than a formality. We are upset by your massing of armies in Flandres, and are afraid that this might be a move against our ally in London. Such a move would cause a large confusion in the Mediterranean. We hope that you will refrain from any such rash actions.
I hope you will realize that the Italians are forcing our hand on this matter. The armada they have in the Mediterranean can only be a move against me or my (and your) ally. Therefore, we hope that you will not be offended by this.
To: King William III of England
Spain has your back as we always will in foreign affairs. The Anglo-Spanish alliance remains strong, and we will fight for us and you in the Mediterranean.
Godspeed.
Jason The King
Deity
To: France
From: Great Britain
I do hope the massed forces in northern France is a mistake. I have no bad intentions towards you, and hopefully you to me. I wanr you however that if an attack is incurred, then Britain and it's allies will hold no remorse.
To: Sweden
From: Great Britain
Already many lives have been loss, I suggest you move for peace.
To: Italy
From: Great Britain
Our navy sees all, and your ship full of troops in the mediterranean is of importance to use as you are near my allie. Hopefully you will come to your senses and call of an attack.
To: Spain
From: Great Britain
I am overfilled with joy that you have come to aid a victim allie. You, if war goes to plan, will be held in the highest of friends by the British. Long live the anglo-spanish pact! Also, a messenger PM has been sent to you, be sure he arrives.
To: Lybia
From: great Britain
A messenger named PM has been sent to you
To: Russia
From: Great Britain
British hearts have risen considerably due to your support of our cause. I thank you with all the thanks a man can give, and due herby accept your alliance proposal. A meesenger PM has been sent to you carrying plans of battle. Long live Mother Russia!
From: Great Britain
I do hope the massed forces in northern France is a mistake. I have no bad intentions towards you, and hopefully you to me. I wanr you however that if an attack is incurred, then Britain and it's allies will hold no remorse.
To: Sweden
From: Great Britain
Already many lives have been loss, I suggest you move for peace.
To: Italy
From: Great Britain
Our navy sees all, and your ship full of troops in the mediterranean is of importance to use as you are near my allie. Hopefully you will come to your senses and call of an attack.
To: Spain
From: Great Britain
I am overfilled with joy that you have come to aid a victim allie. You, if war goes to plan, will be held in the highest of friends by the British. Long live the anglo-spanish pact! Also, a messenger PM has been sent to you, be sure he arrives.
To: Lybia
From: great Britain
A messenger named PM has been sent to you
To: Russia
From: Great Britain
British hearts have risen considerably due to your support of our cause. I thank you with all the thanks a man can give, and due herby accept your alliance proposal. A meesenger PM has been sent to you carrying plans of battle. Long live Mother Russia!
From Calif Abu Bakr to Napoleon the Great Ruler of the French
May the great relationship between our two people live forever !
May i ask you to mediate between Italy and Spain. A war in the mediterranean area would be catastrophic. And I should honor (Muslim fate) my MPP with Spain in case of an Italian attack on him.
From Calif Abu Bakr to the King Giovanni Bernadino of Italy
Lybia want peace. But you must know that any attack against Spain will make our two countries enter in war. I count on your wisdom to avoid this kinf of disagreement between us.
From Calif Abu bakr to the King of Spain
You must know that I disapprove any war between you and Italy. But you can count on me in case of war.
From Calif Abu Bakr to Ottoman Empire
Dear Muslim brother. The mediterranean area is on the verge of war. I wish I can count on the brothership of our two people in case of war against Italy, Inch' Allah. I send you a MPP who is waiting for your signature.
From Calif Abu Bakr to the world
My heart wants peace. I urge Sweden and England to find a political solution at their conflict. Spain and Italy too. I disaprove greatly Russia and Prussia entering this conflict.
May the great relationship between our two people live forever !
May i ask you to mediate between Italy and Spain. A war in the mediterranean area would be catastrophic. And I should honor (Muslim fate) my MPP with Spain in case of an Italian attack on him.
From Calif Abu Bakr to the King Giovanni Bernadino of Italy
Lybia want peace. But you must know that any attack against Spain will make our two countries enter in war. I count on your wisdom to avoid this kinf of disagreement between us.
From Calif Abu bakr to the King of Spain
You must know that I disapprove any war between you and Italy. But you can count on me in case of war.
From Calif Abu Bakr to Ottoman Empire
Dear Muslim brother. The mediterranean area is on the verge of war. I wish I can count on the brothership of our two people in case of war against Italy, Inch' Allah. I send you a MPP who is waiting for your signature.
From Calif Abu Bakr to the world
My heart wants peace. I urge Sweden and England to find a political solution at their conflict. Spain and Italy too. I disaprove greatly Russia and Prussia entering this conflict.
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Um, some things OOC first, for UKnemesis. I had bought a fleet and, as we agreed, I placed it in the Bay of Biscay (H). However, it doesn't seem to be on the map. A mistake I hope?
OK, Gotcha. I have 9 Gold today right? Poor me.
No more armies. But what I have is enough to protect me I guess.
All right, to avoid confusion my diplomacy is going in a different post.
OK, Gotcha. I have 9 Gold today right? Poor me.
No more armies. But what I have is enough to protect me I guess.All right, to avoid confusion my diplomacy is going in a different post.
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FROM: NAPOLEON, EMPEROR OF FRANCE
To: World
If I understand correctly, Sweden is at war with Britain, Spain and Russia have joined Britain, Italy has joined Sweden. Meanwhile on the side Libya has MPPs with France and Spain and wants one with Turkey, while Russia wants to join in alliance with Prussia and Austria.
It's a small world, no?
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To Great Britain:
Do not worry, friend. The troops in Normandie are merely on their way to Belgium, which is currently too weak to be trusted alone especially when other nations have direct fleet links to it. Our agreement about the Channel stands I suppose? Neither French nor British ships will ever be seen in the Channel. While I may not like your war with Sweden, ally of my friend Italy, I don't want war with you. I hope that you don't either...
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To Spain:
Your fleet in the Bay of Biscay, even while we are aware of your friendly intentions, frightens the inhabitants of the West Coast of France. That is why we are putting our own fleet in this sea (even though UK forgot about it!!!! ).
Again, the Gulf of Lyons remains and will continue to remain off-limits to all but the French. As you can easily see our poor nation needs every bit of protection we can get.
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To Prussia:
Brother nation, you never replied about my question of an MPP? I know my nation would feel stronger knowing we were standing back-to-back, and perhaps you feel the same way. If so, please reply with all possible speed, or send me a PM.
PS - This MPP would be one-sided, by the way. I would help you defend yourself and attack others, but you would only need to help me if I was attacked, not if I was attacking (that would be your option). So what do you say?
If you feel the need for stronger ties between our nations, one of my daughters is of marriageable age and she has been casting furtive glances at one of your princes (or so goes the court rumor)... let me know.
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To: World
If I understand correctly, Sweden is at war with Britain, Spain and Russia have joined Britain, Italy has joined Sweden. Meanwhile on the side Libya has MPPs with France and Spain and wants one with Turkey, while Russia wants to join in alliance with Prussia and Austria.
It's a small world, no?
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To Great Britain:
Do not worry, friend. The troops in Normandie are merely on their way to Belgium, which is currently too weak to be trusted alone especially when other nations have direct fleet links to it. Our agreement about the Channel stands I suppose? Neither French nor British ships will ever be seen in the Channel. While I may not like your war with Sweden, ally of my friend Italy, I don't want war with you. I hope that you don't either...
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To Spain:
Your fleet in the Bay of Biscay, even while we are aware of your friendly intentions, frightens the inhabitants of the West Coast of France. That is why we are putting our own fleet in this sea (even though UK forgot about it!!!!
).Again, the Gulf of Lyons remains and will continue to remain off-limits to all but the French. As you can easily see our poor nation needs every bit of protection we can get.
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To Prussia:
Brother nation, you never replied about my question of an MPP? I know my nation would feel stronger knowing we were standing back-to-back, and perhaps you feel the same way. If so, please reply with all possible speed, or send me a PM.
PS - This MPP would be one-sided, by the way. I would help you defend yourself and attack others, but you would only need to help me if I was attacked, not if I was attacking (that would be your option). So what do you say?
If you feel the need for stronger ties between our nations, one of my daughters is of marriageable age and she has been casting furtive glances at one of your princes (or so goes the court rumor)... let me know.
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Jason The King
Deity
Ok, here are the "whos in war" stats for everyone's sake:
Britain: At war with Italy and Sweden, allied with Spain and Russia
Russia: Allied with Prussia (I think??) and Britain, at war with Italy
and Sweden
Spain: Allied with Britain, MPP with Lybia and France at war with
Sweden and Italy
Lybia: MPP with France and Spain
France: MPP with Spain and Italy
Sweden: Allied with Italy, in war with Spain, Britain and Russia
Italy: Allied with Sweden, in war with Spain, Britain, and Russia
France: MPP with Spain and Lybia
This is all I know for now, and all that are Militarly importance right now in the war.
Britain: At war with Italy and Sweden, allied with Spain and Russia
Russia: Allied with Prussia (I think??) and Britain, at war with Italy
and Sweden
Spain: Allied with Britain, MPP with Lybia and France at war with
Sweden and Italy
Lybia: MPP with France and Spain
France: MPP with Spain and Italy
Sweden: Allied with Italy, in war with Spain, Britain and Russia
Italy: Allied with Sweden, in war with Spain, Britain, and Russia
France: MPP with Spain and Lybia
This is all I know for now, and all that are Militarly importance right now in the war.
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I do NOT have an MPP with Spain that I know of...
Look, the sides are basically Sweden-Italy vs Russia-England-Spain. So one side will always fight another side. Then Libya has an MPP with France and Spain.
There are no other formalized MPPs to speak of - yet. France asked Prussia for one, Libya asked Turkey for one, and Russia asked Prussia and Austria for one. If Prussia and Austria join Russia that would bring them into the war on the English side.
Libya would join on the English side as well except for the MPP with France, a neutral nation - however, it will join on the English side if Spain is directly attacked by Italy, or so I read Julienne's post.
Look, the sides are basically Sweden-Italy vs Russia-England-Spain. So one side will always fight another side. Then Libya has an MPP with France and Spain.
There are no other formalized MPPs to speak of - yet. France asked Prussia for one, Libya asked Turkey for one, and Russia asked Prussia and Austria for one. If Prussia and Austria join Russia that would bring them into the war on the English side.
Libya would join on the English side as well except for the MPP with France, a neutral nation - however, it will join on the English side if Spain is directly attacked by Italy, or so I read Julienne's post.
Kwansn
Chieftain
To Russia:
Dear Tzar Chris,
The Great Ottoman Empire agrees to your proposal of non-aggression. May our glorious armies never have to face each other in battle and may Allah bless you and your children!
Sultan Kwansn
To Libya:
Dear Sultan Abu Bakr,
Of course we will stand by our brothers and agree to sign a MMP. Together we shall defend the words of Allah!
Sultan Kwansn
To Austria:
Dear King Poto,
The Great Ottoman Empire wishes a NAP with your nation.
Sultan Kwansn
Dear Tzar Chris,
The Great Ottoman Empire agrees to your proposal of non-aggression. May our glorious armies never have to face each other in battle and may Allah bless you and your children!
Sultan Kwansn
To Libya:
Dear Sultan Abu Bakr,
Of course we will stand by our brothers and agree to sign a MMP. Together we shall defend the words of Allah!
Sultan Kwansn
To Austria:
Dear King Poto,
The Great Ottoman Empire wishes a NAP with your nation.
Sultan Kwansn
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To: The World
From: King Giovanni Bernardino III of Italy
Please, do not declare war on me! I only wish for war with Britain! We lost the race to gain the most provinces, and we are unable to defend ourselves! I request peace with every nation I am at war with besides Britain! I was simply supporting my ally Sweden by declaring war on Britain.
To: Spain
From: Italy
Please forgive me for any tensions by my fleet's presence near your nation. I request a Right of Passage with you so I may pass to attack Britain.
From: King Giovanni Bernardino III of Italy
Please, do not declare war on me! I only wish for war with Britain! We lost the race to gain the most provinces, and we are unable to defend ourselves! I request peace with every nation I am at war with besides Britain! I was simply supporting my ally Sweden by declaring war on Britain.
To: Spain
From: Italy
Please forgive me for any tensions by my fleet's presence near your nation. I request a Right of Passage with you so I may pass to attack Britain.
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