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[R&F] Unique Infrastructure Elimination Thread

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by Legacy of Smiles, Nov 21, 2018.

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  1. seancolorado

    seancolorado Deity

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    Please delete this post but Australia missing, Ziggurat magically gains 10 points in post above
     
  2. Equilin

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    3. Australia - Outback Station [29]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [31]
    8. Dutch - Polder [19]
    13. Germany - Hansa [18]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [26]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [33] (32+1) Easily-spammable without many competing for space in the coastal water. Powerful yield too.
    20. Korea - Seowon [17]
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [4]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [25]
    29. Russia - Lavra [27] .
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [6] (9-3) Not as powerful as most of the others
     
  3. comatosedragon

    comatosedragon Emperor

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    3. Australia - Outback Station [29]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [31]
    8. Dutch - Polder [19]
    13. Germany - Hansa [18]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [26]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [33]
    20. Korea - Seowon [17]
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [1] (4-3) The science boost is decent, but how many of these will you actually build? Maybe one.
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [25]
    29. Russia - Lavra [27] .
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [7] (6+1) No tech requirements, easy era score, early kickstart to science or culture .....
     
  4. Legacy of Smiles

    Legacy of Smiles Prince

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    3. Australia - Outback Station [29]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [31]
    8. Dutch - Polder [19]
    13. Germany - Hansa [18]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [26]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [33]
    20. Korea - Seowon [17]
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [1+1=2] My last effort to get it in the top 10. If for some reason you're Macedon and want to be peaceful (???) then you should still build this over a campus - it can provide up to five times the science of a Seowon and if you don't want the resulting units you don't even have to keep the units so problem solved. Via use of naval policy cards, expect a ridiculous and easy to get science supply without war. Masses of science with no need for war? You peaceful players should definitely find a use here.
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [25]
    29. Russia - Lavra [27] .
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [7-3=4] Falls off fairly quickly.
     
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  5. Ceydezed

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    3. Australia - Outback Station [29]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [31+1 = 32] Every UI giving additional food and housing is great during early game.
    8. Dutch - Polder [19]
    13. Germany - Hansa [18]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [26]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [33]
    20. Korea - Seowon [17-3 = 14] I honestly like playing as Korea, which is a very solid civ, and the Seowon is for sure a good UI. However i feel like it's very often possible to find at least 2 or 3 adj bonus for a regular campus (and more if playing as Australia, Brasil, Japan, etc). The half-time construction time is very nice obviously but it doesn't give any additional great person points if i'm not mistaken (compared to Scotland as another Science civ for example) - and great person points are essential in any space race. So it's a good district but over time its effects decrease and hence it doesn't match with other UI (kampung, mekewap) which yields actually increase over time.
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [2]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [25]
    29. Russia - Lavra [27] .
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [4]
     
  6. Siptah

    Siptah Eternal Chieftain

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    3. Australia - Outback Station [29]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [32]
    8. Dutch - Polder [19]
    13. Germany - Hansa [18]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [26-3=23] It's a very strong district. Like the Seowon, it is somewhat hold back by its placement requirement, however. At least it's easier to place a good one (that stays good and get's better throughout the game).
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [33]
    20. Korea - Seowon [14]
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [2]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [25]
    29. Russia - Lavra [27+1=28] .Only UD that is fully competitive with the best UIs.
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [4]
     
  7. sadsquid

    sadsquid Warlord

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    3. Australia - Outback Station [29+1=30] Food and production? Yes please. Makes useless tiles useful and can really make some awesome tiles when they're grouped together or near pastures.
    7. Cree - Mekewap [32]
    8. Dutch - Polder [19]
    13. Germany - Hansa [18]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [23-3=20] The positional requirements are really annoying. I know why they did it thematically, but it's just annoying and is a significant downside for me.
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [33]
    20. Korea - Seowon [14]
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [2]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [25]
    29. Russia - Lavra [28]
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [4]
     
  8. local_hero

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    3. Australia - Outback Station [30]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [32]
    8. Dutch - Polder [19-3=6] - Good on lake tiles but the variation of lake tiles on maps is very big in my experience. And despite the relaxed placement rules for this, I think this is quite difficult to place on coast still with the higher frequency of reefs.
    13. Germany - Hansa [18]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [20]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [33]
    20. Korea - Seowon [14+1=15] - I think the Seowon gets unfair treatment for being boring? Because it should be judged on it's qualities. With the hills bias I've never been hard pressed to find a spot for it in my first core cities. If you can expand a lot, true you might get to places of the map where there's not a lot of hills but you really have all the Seowons you need by then. And even if you disregard the synergy with the other Korean abilities and only judge it by itself, it's not that hard to find a hill for it anyway. Someone criticised it for being worthless for other civs if they conquer Korean cities. How can a UD get criticism for being super strong for Korea and worthless for her enemies? I've been annoyed by that myself as a conqueror of the Koreans, but I only think it is another merit for the Seowon. In addition to the half cost, +4 adjacency, Natural Philosophy and Rationalism cards synergy...
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [2]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [25]
    29. Russia - Lavra [28]
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [4]
     
  9. Canterbury

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    3. Australia - Outback Station [30]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [32]
    8. Dutch - Polder [16]
    13. Germany - Hansa [18]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [20]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [33]
    20. Korea - Seowon [15+1=16] - I agree, sometimes it's difficult for cities to get a campus adjacency bonus of +3 or more. This takes care of that problem entirely for all cities (at least with a hill, but that's still more common than a natural +4 campus adjacency bonus tile). Also, I haven't upvoted this one yet.
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [2]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [25]
    29. Russia - Lavra [28]
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [4-3=1] - Good early science boost. Okay culture boost although I prefer other improvements or districts near rivers. However, it becomes problematic for me in later turns when cities get larger.
     
  10. SumerianMonkey

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    3. Australia - Outback Station [30]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [32]
    8. Dutch - Polder [16-3=13] fun looks cool but placement for the best benefit is way too situational.
    13. Germany - Hansa [18]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [20]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [33]
    20. Korea - Seowon [16+1=17] Surely one of the other buildings/ui/ud you guys can find weaker. Don’t forget the science and food bonus too. If your placing it right this can net you 0-6 food and 0-6 science.
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [2]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [25]
    29. Russia - Lavra [28]
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [1]
     
  11. Josephias

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    3. Australia - Outback Station [30]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [32]
    8. Dutch - Polder [13]
    13. Germany - Hansa [18]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [20-3=17] Tematically is great, synergizes well, and culture is normally the game for Greece, unfortunately not my first pick strategy. Too focused.
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [33+1=34] Told ya how much I love dotting the sea with these? As some commented in previous posts, these (and to some extent the O.S. have the Benefit of getting much improvement from low-value tiles)
    20. Korea - Seowon [17]
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [2]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [25]
    29. Russia - Lavra [28]
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [1]
     
  12. abandag

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    3. Australia - Outback Station [30]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [32]
    8. Dutch - Polder [13]
    13. Germany - Hansa [18+1=19] It's very easy to get high adjacency yields out of this. Being half price makes it easier.
    14. Greece - Acropolis [17]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [34]
    20. Korea - Seowon [17]
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [2-3=ELIMINATED] If I had all of these options in one civ, this is the last thing I would build. And then I would probably one ever build one of them. Everything else here, plus many of the uniques already eliminated, I would build multiples of. If I'm not going to build a lot of them, I can't consider them a better unique.
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [25]
    29. Russia - Lavra [28]
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [1]
     
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  13. AmazonQueen

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    3. Australia - Outback Station [30]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [32]
    8. Dutch - Polder [13]
    13. Germany - Hansa [19]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [17+1=18] - I've never found the placement requirements for these difficult. Maybe some filler cities won't get one but all my main cities can usually get one next to the city centre. They help make Greece a strong cultural civ but one that can go for any victory type using bonuses from city-states.
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [34]
    20. Korea - Seowon [17]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [25]
    29. Russia - Lavra [28]
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [1-3=Eliminated] - Very useful early on if you have riverside grasslands but thats not always the case.

    edit: Poland, Macedon, Sumeria now eliminated in that order.
     
  14. Weraptor

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    3. Australia - Outback Station [30]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [32]
    8. Dutch - Polder [13-3=10] A very cool UI, but the weakest one left.
    13. Germany - Hansa [19]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [18]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [34+1=35] Lets your city become a maritime metropolis.
    20. Korea - Seowon [17]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [25]
    29. Russia - Lavra [28]
     
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  15. BarbarianHunter

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    3. Australia - Outback Station [30]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [32]
    8. Dutch - Polder [10]
    13. Germany - Hansa [19]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [18]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [32] (35-3) --- Did a search on Reddit for "Kampung Porn" and took the first 3 images. I start a game thinking of this...
    Spoiler :
    Kampung22.jpg

    ..and after scouring the map for the perfect spot while working my way through a raft of hostile AI's, I usually settle for this...
    Spoiler :
    Kampung1.jpg

    Spoiler :
    Kampung3.png

    20. Korea - Seowon [17]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [26] (25+1) --- Versatile, powerful, useful for extra appeal, and spammable.
    29. Russia - Lavra [28]

    One last comment on the Sukiennice (RIP): If you concentrate your routes (say 10 routes) from a moderately sized empire mid game and send them international for +2 production and full gold, you get 20 production per turn that's a ~FREE~ Winged Hussar every 12.5 turns just from the sukiennice bonus.
     
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  16. Disgustipated

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    3. Australia - Outback Station [30]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [32]
    8. Dutch - Polder [10]
    13. Germany - Hansa [19]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [18+1=19] I don't find the placement rules a problem. You are likely to have multiple hills in nearly every city. You might sacrifice a little production, but winning is the name of the game. Greece just wins harder. :)
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [32]
    20. Korea - Seowon [17]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [26]
    29. Russia - Lavra [28-3=25] A great district, but have to combine with a theater district to get full potential, so you aren't really getting this for half price.
     
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  17. Kmart_Elvis

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    3. Australia - Outback Station [30]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [32-3=29] I don't know why this one is leading. I think the Kampung does a better job because they both really do the same thing, but kampungs at least allow you to turn weak coastal tiles into something great, freeing the land tiles for other use. Also, pop is good, but it's better to go wide. A wide empire with low pop but unique districts like the Lavra, Acropolis, or Seowon will be more powerful than a tall civ with the production/housing/food/gold improvements. Districts > Improvements in Civ 6 as a General rule. The Outback Station also is overrated for similar reasons.
    8. Dutch - Polder [10]
    13. Germany - Hansa [19]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [19]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [32]
    20. Korea - Seowon [17+1=18] This is an amazing source of steady science, and should at least be in the top 3. Seowons win science victories. Lavras win religious ones. Acropolis win cultural ones. I don't know why districts aren't leading; they're just so powerful and indispensable.
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [26]
    29. Russia - Lavra [25]
     
  18. Pietato

    Pietato Platonic Perfection

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    3. Australia - Outback Station [30]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [30] Easily the best improvement in the game, and spammable. Food, housing, production and large amounts of gold. No one gnerates income like the Cree.
    8. Dutch - Polder [7] Annoying to build
    13. Germany - Hansa [19]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [19]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [32]
    20. Korea - Seowon [18]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [26]
    29. Russia - Lavra [25
     
  19. WillowBrook

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    3. Australia - Outback Station [30+1=31] I like how it makes use of marginal land.
    7. Cree - Mekewap [30]
    8. Dutch - Polder [7]
    13. Germany - Hansa [19]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [19]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [32]
    20. Korea - Seowon [18]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [26]
    29. Russia - Lavra [25-3=22] Too OP - whether playing as or against Russia, the GPP unbalance the game, should be decreased to a fraction of a point per turn.
     
  20. Wyvern_Parade

    Wyvern_Parade Warlord

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    3. Australia - Outback Station [31]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [30]
    8. Dutch - Polder [7-3=4] Easily the worst one left. Should have gone a long time ago due to being inconsistent and coming later than most UIs.
    13. Germany - Hansa [19]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [19]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [32]
    20. Korea - Seowon [18+1=19] Shouldn't be lower than the Hansa and Acropolis.
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [26]
    29. Russia - Lavra [22]
     
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