Unit Request: The Flying Tiger Warship!

[Dom Pedro II]

I PMed Amenhotep about it and we'll see what he says. If he likes this one better, I'm going to switch to this design.

 

[Dom Pedro II]

Doing a little brainstorming:

I think that it doesn't really make much sense to have the Run.flc for this unit being the paddlewheel.

I mean, as cool as it'd be, it'd make more sense for the sails to be used on the long distances and the paddle for the battle. But it might also be good to have the paddle going as well as the sails.

So I think the attack anim ought to have the paddlewheel going and the sails folded up.

Anybody know the deal with the flags and the adjustable poles they are hanging from?

I'd also like to do a cannon attack version of this so that it can be used for later periods, but the primary attack I'm going to work on is the catapults.


I really think that this would make a good industrial unit with steam power as well. I was actually going to request a sidewheel war junk, but I think this will more than suffice.

With some armor plating on the sides and smoke stacks where the aft sails used to be could work very well I think. Or maybe the smoke stacks should be more towards the middle? I dunno... help me out. Could make a good ironclad like the Warrior as opposed to the Monitor style of the Civ3 ironclad.

Also, just a thought, I'd like to see a similar industrial varient of aaglo's Korean Turtle Ship. Hope he does one...

 

[Mackel-Loos]

This is another paddleship from the same book.

Wheel paddleship of the Song Dynasty bombards a Jin destroyer with lime bombs hurled by traction trebuchets at battle Caishi, AD 1161.

The ships [...] in this plate are the fast and light warships that were the "destroyers" of medieval China.
Unlike tower ships and war junks, the walls of these two-storey ships were continuous with the hull, so that the oarsmen occopied the lower deck and were fully protected, while missile troops went into action above their heads.
Close-combat grappling was therefore not a primary function of these ships.
The "armour plating" was of wood or rhinoceros hide, and there was fierce tiger's face painted on the bow.

 

[Dom Pedro II]

Beautiful... simply beautiful... now I have to do this too...

 

[Amenhotep7]

Nah, just do this one. (The one posted By Mackel-Loos)

BTW, any update on that model?

 

[Mackel-Loos]

You can find some (very simplified) warships of the Sino-Japanese War of 1894 at this page : http://www.irvania.com/wargames/Yaluships.htm

Those models are used for naval game (probably 1/1200 or 1/2400 scale)

 

[Mackel-Loos]

A list of ships (Japanese Prizes from the Sino-Japanese War 1895) is available at : http://www.fortunecity.com/olympia/ince/698/rurik/sino01.html

 

[Dom Pedro II]

Nah, just do this one. (The one posted By Mackel-Loos)

BTW, any update on that model?

You mean the new one that I started today as a result of Mackel-Loos pic? No... not really... unless you want to see a bunch of vertices with nothing attaching them together.

EDIT: Also, I didn't mean I'd have to do the "destroyer" because you'd request. I just want it

 

[Dom Pedro II]

I think somebody screwed up the order because this looks like "Paddle-wheel warships of the Southern Song run the gauntlet of thunder crash bombs to break the blockade of Xiangyang by the Mongols, AD 1272"

And this looks like "Wheel paddleship of the Song Dynasty bombards a Jin destroyer with lime bombs hurled by traction trebuchets at battle Caishi, AD 1161."

But in the pics they are clearly reversed...

 

[Amenhotep7]

So which one's correct? I personally like the Song ship in the second one, but the first one is closer to the date of the ROTM scenario...

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

What are you going to do DPII? Does that mean you'll have to start over again? I hope not...

 

[North King]

No, they did not have sails. Trust me, they did not. That was their whole point, they floated eerily over the water with no visible means of locomotion. They had nice little flags and banners, but no sails. The original is just what they looked like.

For the attack, have them use catapults which should hurl exploding things. Lime Bombs and that sort of thing.

 

[Dom Pedro II]

Though the Chinese navy would thereafter begin to decline, at it apex its fleet of “Flying Tigers,” large warships that carried the spirit of the empire in their fore-and-aft rigged sails and large crews, was a force to be reckoned with.

This article from Strategy Planet makes reference to sails, and this site also posts this with regards to Empire's sail-less vessel.

The picture Mackel-Loos provides has sails and comes from the 12th century of the Song-Jin conflict, but it doesn't specifically reference it as a "Flying Tiger", so it may very well be that there were other kinds of ships that utilized such technology.

But in addition to whatever sources he might have, North King has also said that he has a pic with no sails.

It's possible that they used the sailless version until the jig was up (until their enemies discovered the way they moved), and also I think that the paddle system would be particularly difficult to maintain. Even galleys and Viking longships, famous for their oar power, had sails for the long distances.

In any event, it's up to my friend, Amenhotep. I still have both models. I can do either one of them at this point. And ultimately, no matter which he picks, I'll do both... since it seems that somehow, both were used at one time or another.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

These will be your second and third Naval Units now that I think about it. Your first was the Sampan(An Asian Curragh replacement I think).

Thanks for making these Dom Pedro. The more Asian Ships are availible, the better.

 

[Dom Pedro II]

Actually, my FIRST was the Kon-tiki.

And I agree. I've been begging aaglo for Japanese ships forever... hopefully some day.......

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

He has made some. I guess the axiom "If you want something done, do it yourself" rings true in this case eh?

 

[Dom Pedro II]

He's made Asian units, that's true... and I'm grateful, but he hasn't made any Japanese ships, which look distinctly different from other Asian vessels.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

How much different? I wasn't really aware Japan had much of a Navy during the Middle Ages, they were to busy fighting amonst themselves(the Sengoku Period)

I do know that Japanese Samurai attempted to invade and Conquer Korea during the 15th or 16th centuries. The Korean Turtleboat is what made Korea the victor in that war.

 

[Dom Pedro II]

Check out the Flavor Units Project... here's the page: Japanese ships

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Ya know, I might just put toghether a Battlefield Asia scenerio to go along with your modpack Dom Pedro II. I was thinking the following civs could be used:

China
Manchuria
Tibet
Koryo
Chosan
Japan
Mongolia
Nepal
Siam
India
Kymer