Utopia technology brings communism

[REDY]

Well I dont know if its good place to write there and not to Offtopic. I found that all technologies are called exactly same in editing and in the game, within communism. Its called Utopia in editing. I am not communist, but I found it as unfair, making game with political message...

 

[Edgecrusher]

To be fair, in most Utopian/Distopian novals I have read (1984, Brave New World, Fahrenheit 451, etc...) the common theme is that to achieve a "perfect" society free of crime, poverty, war, etc... civil liberties such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, land owership, etc... have to be take away because they create too much catylists for conflict. In shot a society where the government owns everything, and everyone has a job, food, and a purpose in life.....

 

[asioasioasio]

It was called Communism but since patch 1.61 it's utopia - it's very weird and unfair and unneded 1 billion people lives in so called communism - besides it really pissed of moders cause they needed to correct it

 

[REDY]

To be fair, in most Utopian/Distopian novals I have read (1984, Brave New World, Fahrenheit 451, etc...) the common theme is that to achieve a "perfect" society free of crime, poverty, war, etc... civil liberties such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, land owership, etc... have to be take away because they create too much catylists for conflict. In shot a society where the government owns everything, and everyone has a job, food, and a purpose in life.....

My point is not if communism is utopia...we may talking about it, but not there...my point is that all technologies are same in editing and in the game, also some "bad" as military technologies or fascism...I found it that its not right giving to game secret political message.

 

[Vehem]

It was called Communism but since patch 1.61 it's utopia - it's very weird and unfair and unneded 1 billion people lives in so called communism - besides it really pissed of moders cause they needed to correct it

I suspect the Chinese release of the game may have something to do with it - there were a few other changes around the same time for that reason.

 

[REDY]

I suspect the Chinese release of the game may have something to do with it - there were a few other changes around the same time for that reason.

Its interesting. It should be nice what were other changes and why its changed. China had some problems with Civ4?

 

[Shqype]

Its interesting. It should be nice what were other changes and why its changed. China had some problems with Civ4?

Yes, as far as I know there were changes made to CIV 4 since the v1.61 patch to make it "approved" by Communist China. That's a very large market share CIV 4 can take, so that's probably why they did it.

 

[Edgecrusher]

I wonder if thats the same reason why for Mao's entry in the Leaders's Files, it says "Chinese Leader"

 

[Dryhad]

I wonder if thats the same reason why for Mao's entry in the Leaders's Files, it says "Chinese Leader"

As I understand it, all the variable names that don't match what they relate to are because of this. Utopia, Chinese Leader, Great Dam...

For non-communists who are offended by this, here's a useful justification:

The term "Utopia" comes from the book by Sir Thomas Moore. Traced back to its Greek roots, it appears to mean "Good place", but if pronounced "Oo-topia" it means "No place" and there is a distinct possibility that Moore intended this meaning, or even both meanings, to come accross. The implication is that there is no Utopia. Like communism, it's just a foolish dream.

 

[REDY]

As I understand it, all the variable names that don't match what they relate to are because of this. Utopia, Chinese Leader, Great Dam...

For non-communists who are offended by this, here's a useful justification:

The term "Utopia" comes from the book by Sir Thomas Moore. Traced back to its Greek roots, it appears to mean "Good place", but if pronounced "Oo-topia" it means "No place" and there is a distinct possibility that Moore intended this meaning, or even both meanings, to come accross. The implication is that there is no Utopia. Like communism, it's just a foolish dream.

Well I realy dont think thats because it.

 

[Dryhad]

Well I realy dont think thats because it.

No, the reason is that China didn't want anything in the game that might be construed as an attack on their government. But if you want, you can see it the way I have and it's not such a political message (come to think of it, it never was a political message anyway).

 

[Sebiche]

Well, before the communist manifesto (that one little red book that began all the magic) there was another book called UTOPIA (hint hint). It was the book that gave root to the system communism. UTOPIA.

 

[Leif]

I believe it's not that big enough of an error (if any) to really warrant a chaning of tech names, there's enough out there to obfuscuate things for modders, we really don't need another (IMO).

 

[Dryhad]

I believe it's not that big enough of an error (if any) to really warrant a chaning of tech names, there's enough out there to obfuscuate things for modders, we really don't need another (IMO).

What error? This isn't about an error, it's about appeasing China.

 

[asioasioasio]

I don't now if it's appeasing China calling this country Utopia - this word doesn't mean anything good and it doesn't make sense if in game it's still communism

i don't know why they did this, but the've made a lot of errors in mods from changing patch from 1.52 to 1.61 - nobody likes changes of the tag names

 

[Sebiche]

well i think this conversation is ridiculous. so they called the commie tech "utopia". they made Mao "chinese leader". But deep down, how much of a difference is it? if you start seeing political attacks, rascism and injustice all over the place, over the teen-tiniest of matters, you might as well create your own.

 

[Head Serf]

asioasioasio, the reason the tags are different is probably so that in the chinese version of the game, it does say "Utopia" and "Chinese Leader", but in chinese.

 

[REDY]

asioasioasio, the reason the tags are different is probably so that in the chinese version of the game, it does say "Utopia" and "Chinese Leader", but in chinese.

So its Chinas move? Show that communism is utopia and Mao is not influental now? It looks that China is moving from left-wing police state to right-wing one

 

[Dryhad]

So its Chinas move? Show that communism is utopia and Mao is not influental now?

Rather, not mention anything that might be construed as an attack on the Communist government. The safest way to do that is to not explicitly mention anything that connects to the Communist government. Get it?

It looks that China is moving from left-wing police state to right-wing one

1. What is a left-wing police state?
2. You imply that it is in the process, or that the process began recently.

 

[Head Serf]

Well, China has basically lost its communist economic system, and is really more of a free-trade system nowadays.