Venice discussion

[Ryoga]

There's some funny scenario that could happen with Venice and Sweden.

Dandolo: "Let's be friends!"
Adolphus: "No!"
Dandolo: "Aw... why?! Come on, let's be friends!"
Adolphus: "I said no! You're going to puppet my city states, you bastard!"
Dandolo: "But I just want to be your friend!"
Adolphus: "Yeah, like I don't know why you do!"

 

[Loaf Warden]

Merchant of Venice replaces Settler in the Liberty tree for Venice? That's sick, I honestly didn't expect them to be that generous.

I did. Since Venice explicitly can't get Settlers through any means, the alternative was to have Collective Rule just give them nothing. That would have been a big handicap and a strong disincentive to pursue Liberty at all. Collective Rule effectively gives any civ who chooses it a free city. The difference is, all the other civs get to decide where that city is going to be. Venice still has to pick from a limited number of already-occupied spots. I think giving them a Merchant of Venice for Collective Rule is logical and not overpowered at all.

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

I did. Since Venice explicitly can't get Settlers through any means, the alternative was to have Collective Rule just give them nothing. That would have been a big handicap and a strong disincentive to pursue Liberty at all. Collective Rule effectively gives any civ who chooses it a free city. The difference is, all the other civs get to decide where that city is going to be. Venice still has to pick from a limited number of already-occupied spots. I think giving them a Merchant of Venice for Collective Rule is logical and not overpowered at all.

Agreed.

I don't normally play with puppeted cities (I know, I'm not the best player...) and would like to know if the effect of having a road to the capital works the same as a "normal" city in the empire - especially for the pantheon that gives +2 science for every city connected to the capital. Could anyone please answer that?

 

[Seek]

Agreed.

I don't normally play with puppeted cities (I know, I'm not the best player...) and would like to know if the effect of having a road to the capital works the same as a "normal" city in the empire - especially for the pantheon that gives +2 science for every city connected to the capital. Could anyone please answer that?

Yes it does.

 

[Ogrelord]

Venice doesn't have to puppet every CS it sees. If one goes for Diplo VC, one needs all the delegates it can have.

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

Yes it does.

Thanks for the response !!

 

[Biologist]

I wonder if Venice can be gifted Great Merchants of Venice from city states via patronage.

 

[Ulthwithian]

Biologist: Going by the Mongolia precedent, any Civ can be given Merchants of Venice by CSs with Patronage. (Also, that would mean that Venice could get non-MoV Great Merchants.)

 

[Glassmage]

I noticed that Merchant of Venice can't make Custom House improvement. Shame!

 

[Biologist]

Biologist: Going by the Mongolia precedent, any Civ can be given Merchants of Venice by CSs with Patronage. (Also, that would mean that Venice could get non-MoV Great Merchants.)

Good point. That raises some interesting possibilities for other civs using the Patronage Tree. Nothing one could really plan a strategy around, but... interesting.

 

[Talcove]

I can imagine myself camping my MoVs by city-states, just waiting for someone else to ally them, then BAM! No allies for you! I can also imagine this being extra fun with Austria. Let them ally the city state, wait four turns, then... BAM! Merchant of Venice, baby! Take THAT Ms. squeaky senior!

 

[Bad Wolf]

I did. Since Venice explicitly can't get Settlers through any means, the alternative was to have Collective Rule just give them nothing. That would have been a big handicap and a strong disincentive to pursue Liberty at all. Collective Rule effectively gives any civ who chooses it a free city. The difference is, all the other civs get to decide where that city is going to be. Venice still has to pick from a limited number of already-occupied spots. I think giving them a Merchant of Venice for Collective Rule is logical and not overpowered at all.

I didn't say it was overpowered, just that I didn't expect them to actually bother making this change; I fully expected Venice to simply get shafted when it came to Liberty. Very happy with this.

 

[chrisjwmartin]

What about if someone has two versions of Venice in a single game? It would be nice to have Venetian cities rather than choosing from the bottom of other city lists.

I plan to play a game with only Venices. There will be absolutely no cities built, ever.

 

[Ulthwithian]

I noticed that Merchant of Venice can't make Custom House improvement. Shame!

Wait, they can't? That... is bad, mmkay?

 

[Ryoga]

I noticed that Merchant of Venice can't make Custom House improvement. Shame!

Strange, are you sure they can't?

<Row>
<UnitType>UNIT_VENETIAN_MERCHANT</UnitType>
<BuildType>BUILD_CUSTOMS_HOUSE</BuildType>
</Row>

The xml suggests otherwise

 

[Browd]

I plan to play a game with only Venices. There will be absolutely no cities built, ever.

8 Venices and 41 CSs on a Standard map. Let hilarity ensue.

 

[Glassmage]

oops nvm then I saw the Venice gameplay video by Zac Minor and didn't see that option when he selected MoV.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

oops nvm then I saw the Venice gameplay video by Zac Minor and didn't see that option when he selected MoV.

It may have been pushed into the 'other options'

 

[JSMCAG]

Oh, look! There it is!

 

[Tinker]

Looking at that fort, I wonder what happens to Feitoras when Venice takes a city-state - I assume they get destroyed, but it might be funny if they actually stayed