Version 2.6 discussion

Dancing Hoskuld · Feb 25, 2009

DavidB1111 said:
I don't see what you mean by Culture over 0%, unless you mean the slider?

I mean that throughout the game I had 0% of my income going to culture, it was all tech or esp.

JosEPh_II said:
How did you keep unhappiness under control? Especially if you built even 1 mine for a city. Did you Not build any mines? Even with multiple religions a city with 1-2 mines will generate alot of unhappy faces.

Did you bee-line Liberal and Secular Civics? Did you Not have any wars?

So I'm really skeptical that you played a complete 2.6alpha with out any gold for Culture, Culture set at 0%.

JosEPh

I think luck had a part to play - I had the Spinx +1

all cities. Then later I was able to build both the Olympic Games and the Circus Maximus +1

all cities. I don't know how I did it but in that particular game I also got all the religions.

Minor Civs off. I have been playing with revolutions on and this was my first without. It is much easier. I also had a very good start location with no near neighbours.

Edit - I forgot I did Advance Start which gave me Amen-Ra and Hindi

JosEPh_II · Feb 26, 2009

Edit - I forgot I did Advance Start which gave me Amen-Ra and Hindi

Ahhh! All religions with 3 early

Wonders, I can see possibilities.

And I bet you ran away from all other Civs in Techs too.

JosEPh

romelus · Feb 27, 2009

i noticed this problem in 2.5. if 2.6 doesn't already fix it please consider it.

on a really crowded map, the horse resource doesn't seem to spawn at all. i've gone through at least three games with crowded maps, and only once did one civ have a horse resource on a pangea map. the other times horses were completely absent. not surprisingly, the only civ with horse kicked butt.

probably something to do with minimum distance from starting cities.

zappara · Mar 2, 2009

I have now uploaded v2.6alpha2. Sorry I couldn't upload it earlier as I had promised, the flu kept me in bed for most of the last week but now I'm feeling better again

Download v2.6alpha2 (25megs)

You must have RoM v2.5 - v2.52 installed before applying this patch.

zappara · Mar 2, 2009

Version 2.6alpha2:

Spoiler :

zappara · Mar 2, 2009

version 2.6alpha2 notes continued:

Spoiler :

Dang these notes are getting long, can't fit them anymore to single post :lol:

Some pics about how you can change the view with Field of view slider (BUG 3.6 new feature):

zappara · Mar 2, 2009

Dancing Hoskuld said:
I could not find a pedia entry for the national unit SR17-Blackbird - these seem to be only able to bomb units and only do 1% damage - I can't figure out what use they are.

It's spy plane with huge range so you can use it to reveal map and see where enemy armies are

Ogaburan · Mar 2, 2009

looks promising!!! just a few installation question...

I extract 2.5 on it the 2.52path and on it the alpha2 right?

i bought more ram so im optimistic it will run now so its basically the same?:
2.51(mega) on it the 2.52 and on it the alfa2?

sorry for the noobish questions i just want to be sure i do this right...

zappara · Mar 2, 2009

Ogaburan said:
looks promising!!! just a few installation question...

I extract 2.5 on it the 2.52path and on it the alpha2 right?

i bought more ram so im optimistic it will run now so its basically the same?:
2.51(mega) on it the 2.52 and on it the alfa2?

sorry for the noobish questions i just want to be sure i do this right...

RoM 2.5 is enough (v2.52 patch changes are included in the v2.6alpha). And note it must be regular RoM 2.5, not mega as I haven't modified extra civs yet to new RoM 2.6 settings.

xmen510 · Mar 2, 2009

Unfortuneately it will not work for me. It crashes every time I try to load the mod. I says that something is wrong with the ntdll.dll file I believe. I don't really understand that myself.

konradcabral · Mar 2, 2009

zappara said:
Version 2.6alpha2:

I see that you included sulphur as req. for Grenadiers and Cuirassiers.

They were my last hope of not being eliminated in my last game, because I didn't have sulphur. Born in ice wastelands...

So, it's fair. But, I would like to ask one more measure: sulphur being detected in the map before the Gunpowder discovery. This way, we can plan our game better and not depend that much on luck to have sulphur. Although the feature that allows to build mines outside cultural borders is already a good way to save our skins.

konradcabral · Mar 2, 2009

konradcabral said:
So, it's fair. But, I would like to ask one more measure: sulphur being detected in the map before the Gunpowder discovery.

Sorry for the double post.

For this, we could provide sulphur with more applications.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur

Vulcanization of rubber (obvious);
Inseticide and Fungicide (?)
Acne Treatment

blush

Main role in fertilizers' production (+1 food?)

Don't know...

iyyillius · Mar 2, 2009

something i noticed in my 2 test games..... In niether of my games was there any salt. First one was on arcepelago second on the 2 continent map. something to look into.

iyyillius · Mar 2, 2009

something i noticed in my 2 test games..... In niether of my games was there any salt. First one was on arcepelago second on the 2 continent map. something to look into.

astrac · Mar 2, 2009

Hi Zap!

Very, very nice I can't wait until the V. 2.6 is finished to start a new epic game which I usualy play for some weeks or even months!

One question: waht about the latest Better AI Mod (V 0.6) and Revolution Modpack, are the still included?

jdog and glider are working on a new release of the revolution modpack, do you know about the progress?
It would be great to have the latest Rev. mod in RoM 2.6 (with hopefully fixed multiplayer bug!

).

Of course it would be great to have the Better AI 0.6 in the final version of 2.6, even if the next release of Revolution isn't finished...

Thanks for the greatest civ4 mod!

astrac

OwieB2003 · Mar 2, 2009

If I could find the apple or lemon resource graphic I'd try my hand at butchering...err, transforming it into a cacao tree, and if zap was allowing new resources heh, shape of the cacao fruit more closely resembles the lemons, but size and color is closer to apple. Apple from apple tree would need to be a little longer and have little scoremarks, maybe fade it into orange around the edges.

konradcabral · Mar 2, 2009

About naval upgrades:

I talked before about my opinion regarding armies and upgrades of it. I don't think it's fair to build a million warriors and just pay money to transform them in a million mechanized infantry units. I think they should need hammers to do that. And why a battle won gives experience for an army of thousand years later?

Look, this is an Civ IV feature, not an RoM feature, so I'm criticizing the game, not the mod. Just discussing possibilities.

But, I can understand a little more in the case of some units: pay money to change maces for muskets seems OK to me. It's just a change of equipment. But about ships... When we see an trireme unit, we imagine an entire fleet of triremes, right? Then how to justify pay some coins to transform it magically in a fleet of caravels?

Concluding, I propose the extinction of naval upgrades and the consequent downturn of its hammer costs. I'm open to counter-arguments.

Cheers,

Konrad

vogtmurr · Mar 2, 2009

konradcabral said:
About naval upgrades:

I talked before about my opinion regarding armies and upgrades of it. I don't think it's fair to build a million warriors and just pay money to transform them in a million mechanized infantry units. I think they should need hammers to do that. And why a battle won gives experience for an army of thousand years later?

...But, I can understand a little more in the case of some units: pay money to change maces for muskets seems OK to me. It's just a change of equipment. But about ships... When we see an trireme unit, we imagine an entire fleet of triremes, right? Then how to justify pay some coins to transform it magically in a fleet of caravels?

Concluding, I propose the extinction of naval upgrades and the consequent downturn of its hammer costs. I'm open to counter-arguments.

Cheers,

Konrad

In my opinion it seems appropriate that you need a big budget to upgrade units. It pays for all that extra production - like a fat government defense contract.

But it is a basic limitation of the game that it doesn't show the gardual transformation - I mean I visualize triremes but I don't picture them still sailing the same ships they did 2000 years ago. That, and its hard to store hammers in this game, we're too busy producing more units. But yeah...maybe that should be a good point. Units should require hammers and gold just to maintain them, then lower the maintenance cost in gold. That way we all wouldn't overwhelm the computer with too many units, and we'd have to play them better. The promotion thing you have to write off as; "an elite super well equipped unit by virtue of their past glorious history".

zappara · Mar 3, 2009

astrac said:
One question: waht about the latest Better AI Mod (V 0.6) and Revolution Modpack, are the still included?

Once new RevDCM version with Better BtS AI 0.6 has been released I'll merge it to RoM 2.6 - until that we're using these alpha versions. I don't know about their progress - glider posted some time ago that they try mid Feb release but I guess that got delayed.

zappara · Mar 3, 2009

Here's a little treat for you 2.6alpha2 testers. The attachment holds new Unitinfos.xml file which has now modified unit strengths and unit costs. I spent whole last weekend making excel sheets out of RoM units and then with the help of those calculations I made these unit changes. Up to this point the strength of units in RoM has been from 1 to 70 but with file included in the zip the strength goes now from 1 to 360! There's some other bonus changes as well but those are not yet complete. Unzip the file to Rise of Mankind\Assets\XML\units folder. Originally I had planned this change for v2.7 but decided to test it out now since it didn't take that long to make the sheets...

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