Version 2.8 discussion
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In my opinion, Communist Civic should be
-Fit a large empire (or very large too).
-Good Food and Production, but decrease gold.
-Stand ready to fight a massive warfare.
-And additional bad for Corporations.
So there is my Communist Civic (Goverment)
Civic
-50% Distance Maintnc.
+25% Corporation Maintnc.
Yield
+10% Food.
+30% Prod.
-20% Gold.
Improvement
Town +1 Food, +2 Prod, -2 Commerce.
Village +1 Food, +1 Prod, -1 Commerce.
Hamlet +1 Prod.
Cottage +1 Prod.
Workshop +1 Food, 1 Prod.
Watermill +1 Food, 1 Prod.
In my modmod i add a new growth improvement chain: Guild => Factory => Industrial Park => Industrial Zone, they create new way to build late improvement, focus on production and combo well with Communist
.
Now im trying to make Wealth, Research, Culture is more versatile, when i order cities to build Wealth, they will +xxx% gold from hammer.
-Fit a large empire (or very large too).
-Good Food and Production, but decrease gold.
-Stand ready to fight a massive warfare.
-And additional bad for Corporations.
So there is my Communist Civic (Goverment)
Civic
-50% Distance Maintnc.
+25% Corporation Maintnc.
Yield
+10% Food.
+30% Prod.
-20% Gold.
Improvement
Town +1 Food, +2 Prod, -2 Commerce.
Village +1 Food, +1 Prod, -1 Commerce.
Hamlet +1 Prod.
Cottage +1 Prod.
Workshop +1 Food, 1 Prod.
Watermill +1 Food, 1 Prod.
In my modmod i add a new growth improvement chain: Guild => Factory => Industrial Park => Industrial Zone, they create new way to build late improvement, focus on production and combo well with Communist
.Now im trying to make Wealth, Research, Culture is more versatile, when i order cities to build Wealth, they will +xxx% gold from hammer
.
Galacticat42
Drifting through space, lost
The other new addition that I made was a new Great Wonder for Transhuman era - this new wonder defuses all nuclear weapons from game...
Guess now I'll HAVE to dip into the SDK to make the non-nuclear 'nukes' in my mod into what they really are or should be.
Iceciro
Special Ability: Decimate
Wohoo, that means 2.8 around the very corner, right?
quick thought, is Natural Gas a resource represented in Civ? i say this thinking of most common and used commodities/resources in use today. Natural Gas, liquefied/gas/etc. is a huge part of the world economy and trades on the CBOT daily... i love all the resources but i for one would vote for NG being included sometime in the future...
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas
"and is created by methanogenic organisms in marshes, bogs, and landfills" -- marshes and bogs? easy enough, although i think it is also available in the ocean as a frozen form called methane hydrate (see http://www.whoi.edu/oceanus/viewArticle.do?id=2441)
"Another solution is to export the natural gas as a liquid. Gas-to-liquid, (GTL) is a developing technology that converts stranded natural gas into synthetic gasoline, diesel or jet fuel through the Fischer-Tropsch process developed in World War II Germany. Such fuels can be transported through conventional pipelines and tankers to users." -- damn Nazis...
"Before natural gas can be used as a fuel, it must undergo extensive processing to remove almost all materials other than methane." -- here is see Civ creating the "natural gas processing plant" much like a brewery produces alcohol, the NGPP makes NG as an energy product like oil?
"Natural gas pipelines are economical, but are impractical across oceans." -- which politically makes me think of the Ukrainian Russian problem controlling the gas pipelines... pipelines themselves represent a Civ possibility!
resource symbol on the map as?
and damnit, i will draw the thing myself -- stupid internet cant give me one flame silhouette picture... seriously from google to bing, pissesss me off!
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas
"and is created by methanogenic organisms in marshes, bogs, and landfills" -- marshes and bogs? easy enough, although i think it is also available in the ocean as a frozen form called methane hydrate (see http://www.whoi.edu/oceanus/viewArticle.do?id=2441)
"Another solution is to export the natural gas as a liquid. Gas-to-liquid, (GTL) is a developing technology that converts stranded natural gas into synthetic gasoline, diesel or jet fuel through the Fischer-Tropsch process developed in World War II Germany. Such fuels can be transported through conventional pipelines and tankers to users." -- damn Nazis...
"Before natural gas can be used as a fuel, it must undergo extensive processing to remove almost all materials other than methane." -- here is see Civ creating the "natural gas processing plant" much like a brewery produces alcohol, the NGPP makes NG as an energy product like oil?
"Natural gas pipelines are economical, but are impractical across oceans." -- which politically makes me think of the Ukrainian Russian problem controlling the gas pipelines... pipelines themselves represent a Civ possibility!
resource symbol on the map as?
and damnit, i will draw the thing myself -- stupid internet cant give me one flame silhouette picture... seriously from google to bing, pissesss me off!
@ munky:
Good ideas.
I agree natural gas should be added.
As for the Methane Hydrate, since it's a powerful green house gas I think there should be a big negative attached to it.
When a Civ starts using it, it should cause a green house effect several times worse than what other things do in the game. There's some much of the stuff on earth that even if a small fraction of it escaped into the atmosphere it would have dire consequences on earth current climate set up.
Good ideas.
I agree natural gas should be added.
As for the Methane Hydrate, since it's a powerful green house gas I think there should be a big negative attached to it.
When a Civ starts using it, it should cause a green house effect several times worse than what other things do in the game. There's some much of the stuff on earth that even if a small fraction of it escaped into the atmosphere it would have dire consequences on earth current climate set up.
os79
Deity
Glider1 said on Monday that it will be 7 days or so before official RevDCM 2.6 is released. Give Zappara few more days to merge that in.
Short answer: yes!
leo.
Monkey Monster
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There are many things i could comment in detail, but i will do that later. just a few things i thought about during my last game
- Spaceship components are too cheap because of the huge bonuses you get; they take in worst case 3 turns to build (normal speed/about 100 base prod).
- Perhaps even the techs are too cheap, could be increased by 50% (50000 science and more is possible on a large map/normal speed)
- for transhuman get more focus on paradise stuff, like treefarms, windmills, preserves and ecological things that are important. they're still not attractive enough but expensive. i'd like to see huge bonuses on that, esp. more on windmills and preserves.
- The internet wonder is too cheap or it should be moved to a later tech. It breaks the game if it's too early. Or its bonus can be moved to another later wonder and it should give tech/commerce bonus or free tech etc. (I'm not a fan of Encyclopedia either).
- Buildings like vacation resorts etc: AI is building that stuff like insane, and it hits science capitals all the time. mind control centers dont have that problem, because they have the tendence to be a win for ai. would be nice to see that fixed. no idea if ai pays for infrastructure, but if it still does it would help it greatly if the costs are removed for it.
- more anti-air possibilties/strength for units. ai had always a problem with that so superior protection can help it getting stronger.
- more possibilties to add cultural city defense (like walls do). why not let it get up to 300% or more. thats cool
No building for a city? :/
generalstaff
Steadfast
Natural Gas, as long as it affects things in game (i.e. Nat. Gas Power Plant building, bonus with Public Transportation), I am fine with it inclusion.
On the subject of resources, I hope 2.8 (I only glanced through the changes and am not running the beta) makes Methane Ice and Geothermal Energy useful beyond providing a more useful plot.
On the subject of resources, I hope 2.8 (I only glanced through the changes and am not running the beta) makes Methane Ice and Geothermal Energy useful beyond providing a more useful plot.
Afforess
The White Wizard
Any chance of adding StrategyOnly's Mercenaries Modcomp to the final 2.8? The Python is too much for me.
I just don't think that Zap should have nuked Communism back to the stone age.
I don't quite understand this comment. By Real, I mean the True Communism that's nearly impossible to make due to human conditioning.
Sorry, that's not communism, that's bad government.
Thank you, finally someone who understands me! Also, don't know if Re-engineering is needed. That seems more like Eugenics.
And Eugenics make Fascism look fun.
Fascism yes, but Communism no.
Not so much.
Communism in RoM is far from nuked. Ve have veys to get around the money penalty...
I still run it. That civic category does cry out for a better late-game option (Virtual democracy? Witheringawayofthestatism for those Marx fans who seem ever with us?)
BTW, it's not human conditioning that makes Communism non-viable in RL, its human nature/social dynamics, including the good stuff. True Communism has no prices.
The problem with Communism, "true" or corrupted, as with Fascism, is that its illiberal. The theory upon which it is based doesn't account for, say, Zappara, let alone Sid Meier, and thus the systems themselves crowd out much of what makes life worth living.
If they are to be included in the game in the name of realism, the flaws in the ideals they express should be accurately reflected as well.
Yeah, that sums it up quite nicely. So IF RevDCM is released on next monday (7days from this week's monday) I could have it merged to RoM next week and hopefully get the first download release ready by the weekend - of course assuming everything goes without huge problems.Glider1 said on Monday that it will be 7 days or so before official RevDCM 2.6 is released. Give Zappara few more days to merge that in.
Short answer: yes!
Good points there and I'll consider them. There's defense city buildings on Transhuman era already, just the improvements were missing nice upgrade for defense.
Natural Gas, while it's very commonly used resource in today's world, I probably won't add it to RoM. I've considered it few times and would have liked to have stuff like gas/oil pipes and several buildings tied to these kind of resources. However the improvement system doesn't allow pipes in any form (no 2 improvements on same plot and no 2 route types on same plot) and the other problem is that there's so many resources to place on land plots that if more is added, the more there will be situations where some vital are completely missing (ie. stone, sulphur issues). Methane Ice was easier to add since it's ocean floor resource. Geothermal Energy will be just a plot resource (for now in v2.8). Future RoM versions might change those resources - depends on what I decide to do with them and what kind of feedback I get from all of you.
Not in v2.8 but I'll give it a try with v2.9 (among some other python things). I don't want to make too many python changes in one version and I want to ensure first that the current changes work correctly.
I'd like to but I can't devote much time more map/scenario making. Personally I'd like to get Rome empire scenario, Colonization of Africa scenario and world war scenarios for RoM. And some real earth maps from different times (jurassic era etc.).
Not much to say about this week's progress - been working overtime so not much time for modding. I renamed Artificial Molecules to Replicators (Desktop Printers / 3D Printers were other name choices) and made this resource reduce unit upgrade costs by 50% (does not stack with same kind of promotion effect) so that's it's really useful to have this resource - requires National Wonder which produces them and it's on Transhuman era.
On this weekend I'll merge BUG 4.1 to RoM 2.8.
Gudinsdiv
Marshal Davout 3 Corps
So the United States IS socialist! I thought the corporate mass media and military-industrial complex were such a clumsy fit for a limited-democratic republic. Especially when it has ceased to be either a democracy or a republic. Go figure!
Here's one: "Many, too many are born, and they hang on their branches much too long."
Another gem by Nietzsche:
"The great majority of men have no right to exist."
Not a guy I'd take a lesson from.
Afforess
The White Wizard
Let's settle this waste of space Communism debate once and for all. Communism is not viable with human beings. For better or worse, we are all greedy, selfish, and self-serving. Thus, communism should be moved to the Tech "Homo-Superior", as "superior"* people might be able to live under a communistic rule.
* This depends on your definition of Superior of course.
* This depends on your definition of Superior of course.
Gudinsdiv
Marshal Davout 3 Corps
I didn't realize there was one.
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