Victim of perceived thug does end up in jail

[JollyRoger]

And Zimmerman "never" confronted Martin

The Zimmerman camp has admitted that he did confront him. The question becomes if that confrontation was "confrontational" enough to justify Martin in standing his ground (if, for the sake of argument, we say that Martin made the first physical contact). And, before you say that Zimmerman boke no law, prt of the "beauty" of stand your ground is that the person confronting does not have to break the law for the person confronted to be justified under the law in standing his ground.

 

[Berzerker]

The Zimmerman camp has been fed the same media BS as everyone else, but I didn't say Zimmerman confronted Martin. Y'all said that and it aint true, your "evidence" (the map) supported Zimmerman's version of events to a tee. And the girl Martin was talking with already confirmed it was Martin who identified Zimmerman and began the conversation - that conversation doesn't justify assault for either Martin or Zimmerman. To suggest it does is to say its moral and "legal" to punch people for asking or answering a question. No, Martin went much further than just punching someone. Had Zimmerman died Martin would be up on murder charges (and y'all would have to be defending him based on a perversion of stand your ground - how ironic).

the "beauty" of stand your ground is that the person confronting does not have to break the law for the person confronted to be justified under the law in standing his ground.

So one minute you condemn "stand your ground" when you mistakenly believe it applies to Zimmerman, then you applaud the same law when you think it applies to Martin. "Stand your ground" doesn't apply to either of them, the evidence points to assault and self defense.

 

[woody60707]

The Zimmerman camp has admitted that he did confront him. The question becomes if that confrontation was "confrontational" enough to justify Martin in standing his ground (if, for the sake of argument, we say that Martin made the first physical contact). And, before you say that Zimmerman boke no law, prt of the "beauty" of stand your ground is that the person confronting does not have to break the law for the person confronted to be justified under the law in standing his ground.

When did the law become a zero sum game? And Martin isn't on trial here, Zimmerman is.

 

[Skwink]

Drug THC found in Trayvon Martin's System

That can't be good for the prosecution.

 

[Berzerker]

thc dont make you violent, albeit adverse reactions are possible mostly for first timers - but that will be a concern for the lawyers selecting the jury. The state wont want any tough law and order types who luv the drug war

but it will be interesting to see the state dismiss the pot in his system while waging a war on pot

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

thc dont make you violent, albeit adverse reactions are possible mostly for first timers

but it will be interesting to see the state dismiss the pot in his system while waging a war on pot

You do know that the state is not a single monolithic entity that never disagrees with any other part of itself... right?

 

[Berzerker]

We dont have two or more sets of laws based on disagreements so the state is monolithic...we have here a state (and I presume a prosecutor) who've waged a war on people for pot and now that state and its prosecutor will try to have a jury dismiss all those nasty reasons "justifying" their war on people for pot.

 

[MobBoss]

Again, I can certainly see why you and JR disagree so much over legal matters.

Much like how you and I disagree on military issues, eh?

So, in the last 48 hours, Zimmerman was shown to have a broken nose, and wounds consistent with being beaten, and Martin had wounds to his knuckles, and drugs in his system.

Do you still really think a 2nd degree murder charge is valid in this case?

 

[Berzerker]

And we were told the opposite - Zimmerman didn't have any head wounds and Martin had no damage to the knuckles. Imagine that...

How should we account for the unusually lousy reporting in this case where certain elements of the media - the sources for the unusually lousy reporting - had a political agenda? Zimmerman was railroaded by a shameless media... The drugs will be a wash, a jury decision wont be based on that given Zimmerman was using prescription mood altering drugs :yikes: and pot's well known benign nature.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Drug THC found in Trayvon Martin's System

That can't be good for the prosecution.

So he smoked pot sometime in the past couple of months. That certainly makes it OK to kill him. It's funny how they didn't bother to test the person charged with second-degree murder.

Much like how you and I disagree on military issues, eh?

I don't claim to be an expert on the military. That's why I typically provide corroboration for my opinions in those threads which you continue to try to refute without any success.

So, in the last 48 hours, Zimmerman was shown to have a broken nose, and wounds consistent with being beaten, and Martin had wounds to his knuckles, and drugs in his system.

Do you still really think a 2nd degree murder charge is valid in this case?

I hardly think smoking pot and defending yourself against an armed viglilante whom the FBI now apparently thinks was engaged in a hate crime is sufficient reason to kill someone. Seemingly, you do.

 

[MobBoss]

So he smoked pot sometime in the past couple of months. That certainly makes it OK to kill him. It's funny how they didn't bother to test the person charged with second-degree murder.

THC doesnt stay in your system that long.

I don't claim to be an expert on the military. That's why I typically provide corroboration for my opinions in those threads which you continue to try to refute without any success.

Then I suggest you use better websites than ones titled 'jezebel.com'.

I hardly think smoking pot and defending yourself against an armed viglilante whom the FBI thinks was engaged in a hate crime is sufficient reason to kill someone. Being a legal clerk, YMMV of course.

What proof do you offer that Martin had to 'defend himself' from Zimmerman at all? To my knowledge no such proof exists. You may want to provide it to the prosecution - they need all the help they can get.

But you didnt answer my question. Given the autopsy and medical reports do you still think the 2nd murder charge valid? Dont avoid the question.

 

[emzie]

Much like how you and I disagree on military issues, eh?

So, in the last 48 hours, Zimmerman was shown to have a broken nose, and wounds consistent with being beaten, and Martin had wounds to his knuckles, and drugs in his system.

Do you still really think a 2nd degree murder charge is valid in this case?

Simply put, yes. At the end of the day it doesn't matter if Zimmerman took a beating (though how the hell he got his ass kicked by a kid 100 pounds lighter than him and a head shorter is beyond me) if he started the confrontation.

That's all the state needs to prove. It doesn't matter if Zimmerman honestly feared for his life since Trayvon had every right to defend himself from an attack when he was lawfully in the area.

Now, should the prosecution not be able to show Zimmerman, as they would say at school, "started it" then I can see him going free. But his injuries or Trayvon smoking pot aren't going to weigh on his verdict.

 

[MobBoss]

What proof is there that he started it?

 

[Formaldehyde]

THC doesnt stay in your system that long.

Is that right?

http://www.passyourdrugtest.com/timetable.htm

Marijuana Detection Time Chart Urine Drug Test
1 time only 5-8 days
2-4 times per month 11-18 days
2-4 times week 23-35 days
5-6 times per week 33-48 days
Daily Usage 49-90 days
** Hair Drug Test Up to 90 days, some States 120 days
** Saliva Drug Test 1-10 days
** Blood Drug Test 2 days
** Fingernail Drug Test 90 Days
** Alcohol Drug Test 3-5 days via Ethyl Gluconoride (EGT) or 10-12 hours via traditional method

Then I suggest you use better websites than ones titled 'jezebel.com'.

I thought I'd make it easier for you to try to find even one incorrect fact while providing many other sources which stated essentially the same thing. But you didn't, as usual.

What proof do you offer that Martin had to 'defend himself' from Zimmerman at all? To my knowledge no such proof exists. You may want to provide it to the prosecution - they need all the help they can get.

You mean besides the charges against him? The Sanford PD, the prosecution, and the FBI seem to think their opinions in this matter count more than those trying to rationalize a vigilante killing which should have never occurred.

 

[MobBoss]

Seriously? passyourdrugtest.com?

You just became a laughing stock.

Tell me, exactly how did you ascertain Martins level of drug use? Hmmm? Remember, you alleged 'months' so are you saying he was a extemely heavy, daily user? 'Cause thats the far end of the scale and the only extreme choice that fills you allegation.

If there were a shark in this thread, you just jumped it.

EDIT: WebMD says heavy users can have it for about a month in their system: http://answers.webmd.com/answers/1182404/how-long-does-marijuana-stay-in

If you're wondering how long marijuana stays in your system after smoking, it depends on how often you smoke. Light users -- those who smoke pot once in a while -- will have a negative drug screen after a marijuana-free week. Heavy users -- sometimes called "stoners" -- may continue testing positive for a month after last smoking pot.

Other factors can impact this as well, i.e. body mass, fluid intake, etc. But a good rule of thumb that we use at work is 3 weeks to a month for the body to process the metabolites created by using marijuana.

 

[Formaldehyde]

You still can't disprove any of the data. Now can you?

And many people smoke pot on a regular basis without being "punks" who deserve being killed by a vigilante for merely walking while black.

 

[MobBoss]

You still can't disprove any of the data. Now can you?

Just did from a plausibly more reliable source. In looking this up, the vast majority of links dealing with it say about a month. Certainly not 'months' as you alleged. Want me to find some more? Plenty of there, far more presumably realiable that passyourdrugtest.com...rofl.

Shark. Jumped.

And you still havent answered my simple question. Guess your're embarassed to.

 

[Berzerker]

Vigilantes (and stalkers) dont call the cops and follow their instructions, thats what he was doing prior to Martin getting in his face

 

[Formaldehyde]

Just did from a plausibly more reliable source. In looking this up, the vast majority of links dealing with it say about a month. Certainly not 'months' as you alleged. Want me to find some more? Plenty of there, far more presumably realiable that passyourdrugtest.com...rofl.

Shark. Jumped.

Depending on how many times he smoked that week, it can definitely stay in the system that long. Just read the data I provided which you still haven't managed to refute.

 

[MobBoss]

Depending on how many times he smoked that week, it can definitely stay in the system that long. Just read the data I provided which you still haven't managed to refute.

Please see my webMD link. It refutes it.