Admiral Kutzov
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Vpr4-The Golden Horde
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Please tell an idiot what this means ?
Doc Tsiolkovski
Deity
As far as I know.
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
Thank you and extra characters
Doc Tsiolkovski
Deity
Any news?
Quite a fun set, burned a lot of stuff.
Preturn- Pillage a second source of wine. We don't want demands. Move troops, I have a feeling that this will be very fun.
IBT- Egypt declares war.
1
Lindum razed (burn everything in sight, Celts have x10 our culture.) Richborough razed.
3
Burn Alesia (along with ToA, about to go obselete.)
4
Burn Berlin. Sign peace with Russia and get 11 gold from them as well.
6
Salzburg razed. Lubeck burned. Buy Theology from Scandinavia for 872 gold.
7
Karakorum, Samarland, and Bishbalik riot.
Oops. Darhan founded. Burn Lapurdum. Burn Buto.
8
Burn Edfu. I have lots of fun with the 2 movement thing with my Keshiks, moving them through Egyptian mountains with no penalty.
IBT- A Keshik produces a great leader, Kublai Khan! Golden Age ends. Units with leader destroyed and leader dies.
10
Burn Augsburg. Get an MGL. Entremont razed (sorry to see KT go, but it was just going to flip.) Ulyasutay founded.
I've turned much of the land west and south of us into rubble, build cities there. Finish off Brennus, we can do it. Whack the Egyptians a bit more then sign peace and get Education. Germany has 2 cities but we're almost out of troops, get Koln as well as peace. On to Doc Tsiolkovski.
Preturn- Pillage a second source of wine. We don't want demands. Move troops, I have a feeling that this will be very fun.
IBT- Egypt declares war.
1
Lindum razed (burn everything in sight, Celts have x10 our culture.) Richborough razed.
3
Burn Alesia (along with ToA, about to go obselete.)
4
Burn Berlin. Sign peace with Russia and get 11 gold from them as well.
6
Salzburg razed. Lubeck burned. Buy Theology from Scandinavia for 872 gold.
7
Karakorum, Samarland, and Bishbalik riot.
Oops. Darhan founded. Burn Lapurdum. Burn Buto. 8
Burn Edfu. I have lots of fun with the 2 movement thing with my Keshiks, moving them through Egyptian mountains with no penalty.
IBT- A Keshik produces a great leader, Kublai Khan! Golden Age ends. Units with leader destroyed and leader dies.
10
Burn Augsburg. Get an MGL. Entremont razed (sorry to see KT go, but it was just going to flip.) Ulyasutay founded.
I've turned much of the land west and south of us into rubble, build cities there. Finish off Brennus, we can do it. Whack the Egyptians a bit more then sign peace and get Education. Germany has 2 cities but we're almost out of troops, get Koln as well as peace. On to Doc Tsiolkovski.
plarq
Crazy forever
Well Done viper,you whacked Celts and their culture!!!And you produce a lot of unclaimed territory!We'd look at Settler/Pike building to claim them!
And we'll have DocT playing next 10 turns.
Edit:If possible,I'd swap or skip ahead since I'll have Internet access/Civ access difficulty in Jan. 16th-20th(Returning home after this semester).
And we'll have DocT playing next 10 turns.
Edit:If possible,I'd swap or skip ahead since I'll have Internet access/Civ access difficulty in Jan. 16th-20th(Returning home after this semester).
Doc Tsiolkovski
Deity
I got it.
Btw, we aren't allowed to capture cities anyway.
Btw, we aren't allowed to capture cities anyway.
plarq
Crazy forever
It'll be difficult for me to play in Jan.14th-Jan.20th, please skip me if my turn is in that period.Edit: However I managed to stay in CIV and this forum.
plarq
Crazy forever
Still no progress,DocT?
Doc Tsiolkovski
Deity
Mongols, 650AD
Nice job on getting all this empty land.
Tststs, who rushed a Settler in a size 2 town that wont grow before 14 turns
?
Without happiness buildings, we desperately need any Luxes we can get. Buy Silks from Russia for Theology (anyone else but Germany has it already).
We will get almost everything from Brennus btw; since were more powerful now, I think Ill make peace after a few more cities, and concentrate on Cleo.
Turn 1: 660AD
Raze Burdigala for 93gp, 3 Slaves and a Treb. Kill some stray units from several Civs.
Make happy with Brennus for Edu, Gunpowder and 750gp. Speaking of GP, we dont have any; Egypt has. Just another reason to get rid of them.
Start minimum run on PP with a homeless Scientist.
Turn 2: 670AD
Make peace with Germany for Republic (nothing else to get), an Archer is threatening a hurt Keshik.
Turn 3: 680AD
Regroup and heal.
Turn 4: 690AD
Found Hovd, and we have Furs.
IBT:
Ack, Monty asks us for a peace treaty, despite Renegotiate is off
; we are now at war with the Aztecs again, I didnt want to lock us into another 20 turns. But I agree with peace for Mursilis. Loose 2 Slaves to Aztecs.
Turn 5: 700AD
Kill stuff. Notice we dont have a single embassy so far, fix that.
Turn 6: 710AD
Raze the Aztec town next to Tashkent.
Raze Byblos.
Reconnect some Luxes, we dont need to be afraid of demands now.
Celts know PP.
Turn 7: 720AD
We raze Hieraconoplis.
Turn 8: 730AD
Another MGL by whacking an Aztec Longbow exactly where I want the Pentagon, at Iron Port.
Settle at Berlins rubble; we would have Dyes now, but an Aztec city blocks the trade route.
We could easily raze a couple more Egyptian cities, but we need to wait for Settlers.
IBT:
Pentagon done (culture in Iron Port will give us access to lots of tiles later)
Turn 9: 740AD
Raze Heliopolis.
Slay 2 Aztec Knights and a Pike.
IBT:
Lots of Aztec MDIs show up.
Celts complete Sistine.
Turn 10: 750AD
Buy Silks from Russia again. Buy Incense from Hittites. Since I now ship Ivory away, we may face ACavs later; but IMHO that doesnt matter.
NOTES:
*Dont push too fast; unless we have Settlers at hand, we cannot claim the territory.
*Bishkek would make a great city (MilAc), if we settle a town at blue dot to pull in some Hills.
*Tashkent needs infra.
*Settler for the Spices is on spot.
*Load a Musket into the MDI Army; this is the one case where a mixed Army is better (3 or 4 MDI dont change anything for Attack, but the defender helps for Defence). And, that Army should move E to help against the Aztecs (IMPORTANT: There is another stack of Aztec MDI near Haran).
*Keep rushing Settlers out of Bishbalik; that is the one town that grows really fast.
*We should take out the Egyptian core, and then make peace for Techs. The most important city to found is next to the Saltpetre N of their capital.
*The German city of Leipzig has lots of Incense, may be a nice target soon.
The Save
Nice job on getting all this empty land.
Tststs, who rushed a Settler in a size 2 town that wont grow before 14 turns
?Without happiness buildings, we desperately need any Luxes we can get. Buy Silks from Russia for Theology (anyone else but Germany has it already).
We will get almost everything from Brennus btw; since were more powerful now, I think Ill make peace after a few more cities, and concentrate on Cleo.
Turn 1: 660AD
Raze Burdigala for 93gp, 3 Slaves and a Treb. Kill some stray units from several Civs.
Make happy with Brennus for Edu, Gunpowder and 750gp. Speaking of GP, we dont have any; Egypt has. Just another reason to get rid of them.
Start minimum run on PP with a homeless Scientist.
Turn 2: 670AD
Make peace with Germany for Republic (nothing else to get), an Archer is threatening a hurt Keshik.
Turn 3: 680AD
Regroup and heal.
Turn 4: 690AD
Found Hovd, and we have Furs.
IBT:
Ack, Monty asks us for a peace treaty, despite Renegotiate is off
; we are now at war with the Aztecs again, I didnt want to lock us into another 20 turns. But I agree with peace for Mursilis. Loose 2 Slaves to Aztecs.Turn 5: 700AD
Kill stuff. Notice we dont have a single embassy so far, fix that.
Turn 6: 710AD
Raze the Aztec town next to Tashkent.
Raze Byblos.
Reconnect some Luxes, we dont need to be afraid of demands now.
Celts know PP.
Turn 7: 720AD
We raze Hieraconoplis.
Turn 8: 730AD
Another MGL by whacking an Aztec Longbow exactly where I want the Pentagon, at Iron Port.
Settle at Berlins rubble; we would have Dyes now, but an Aztec city blocks the trade route.
We could easily raze a couple more Egyptian cities, but we need to wait for Settlers.
IBT:
Pentagon done (culture in Iron Port will give us access to lots of tiles later)
Turn 9: 740AD
Raze Heliopolis.
Slay 2 Aztec Knights and a Pike.
IBT:
Lots of Aztec MDIs show up.
Celts complete Sistine.
Turn 10: 750AD
Buy Silks from Russia again. Buy Incense from Hittites. Since I now ship Ivory away, we may face ACavs later; but IMHO that doesnt matter.
NOTES:
*Dont push too fast; unless we have Settlers at hand, we cannot claim the territory.
*Bishkek would make a great city (MilAc), if we settle a town at blue dot to pull in some Hills.
*Tashkent needs infra.
*Settler for the Spices is on spot.
*Load a Musket into the MDI Army; this is the one case where a mixed Army is better (3 or 4 MDI dont change anything for Attack, but the defender helps for Defence). And, that Army should move E to help against the Aztecs (IMPORTANT: There is another stack of Aztec MDI near Haran).
*Keep rushing Settlers out of Bishbalik; that is the one town that grows really fast.
*We should take out the Egyptian core, and then make peace for Techs. The most important city to found is next to the Saltpetre N of their capital.
*The German city of Leipzig has lots of Incense, may be a nice target soon.
The Save
el_filet
Prince
i got it...
plarq
Crazy forever
Army thing:
3 MDI+Musket:A/D--5.83/4.17
4 MDI:A/D--6.66/3.33
After Mil Academy:
3 MDI+Musket:A/D--7/5
4 MDI:A/D--8/4
as number is rounded down to an integar,I still say 4 MDI is stronger than 3 MDI+Musket,given Musket is 50s while MDI is 40s.
3 MDI+Musket:A/D--5.83/4.17
4 MDI:A/D--6.66/3.33
After Mil Academy:
3 MDI+Musket:A/D--7/5
4 MDI:A/D--8/4
as number is rounded down to an integar,I still say 4 MDI is stronger than 3 MDI+Musket,given Musket is 50s while MDI is 40s.
Doc Tsiolkovski
Deity
Before MilAc
3 MDI/ 1 Musket = +14/6 Attack, +10/6 Defence; rounded down = +2/+1
4 MDI = +16/6 A, +8/6 D = +2/+1
However, you may not use the mean values; the correct strength is always (A/D of the unit visible + bonus).
Thus, both Armies will attack with 4+2=6; the composite Army will have less attack when redlined, but then, it shouldn't attack anyway
.But, on defence:
A pure MDI Army will always defend with 2+1=3; the mixed Army will see the Musket stepping up (especially helpful when the Army is already hurt) and defending with 4+1=5.
After the MilAc a pure MDI Army will have an attack of 8, compared to 7 for the mixed Army; but when we have the MilAc, we also have 4Cav Armies who attack at 12 anyway.
plarq
Crazy forever
Well,it seems that I misunderstood the army thing for so long,thanks DocT
el_filet
Prince
750 AD (0):
our empire seems to be in pretty good shape
blue dot gives bishkent only one hill, i'd prefer mining some plains, depending on the settler situation
plan to use settlers for spices, salt, fur road & dyes road
with bishkek being a settler pump. i change market to granary und rush
celts are up PP, MusicT, bank & astro
let research on PP@min, we'll buy our way up anyway, but i'll wait until more then one has the techs
military plan: hold in W, destroy theben (for salt), tepeaca, pithom (both dyes road) & pi-ramesses (hurt egyptains)
IBT:
lots of aztec units arriving
lose pike to reg LB next to tepeaca
samarkand: keshik->keshik
bishkek: granary->settler
hit & rus start SoZ
celts adam
we're the happiest nation of the world (good job getting all those luxes
)
found dalandz...dalSpices->galley
760 AD (1):
decide to take detour to alexandria for another egypt core city (can't resist with the prepared trebs and the road)
kill 2 aztec MI (2-1)
spot celtic settler
IBT:
talk with cleo, she's willing to give astro, but nothing more (she doesn't have much more, but not even that). don't intend to stop war before salt is secured.
kill LB & knight (4-1)
aztecs unload units next to undefended city
khanbalik: keshik->keshik
tashkent: granary->duct
qyzylorda: settler->pike
770 AD (2):
found ulaagom on fur road->walls
kill aztec mini-SoD (9-1)
kill egypt LB (10-1)
kill invador with newly constructed keshik
IBT:
kill 2 units (12-1)
vikings land settler pair close to spices
get boot from hittites
karakorum: keshik->keshik
780 AD (3):
lose LB (12-2)
kill spear (13-2)
lose keshik razing tepeaca (15-3)
notice bishbalik is the settler pump
rush settler
kill aztec MI (16-3)
raze alexandria (18-3)
take the slaves the vik sent us (19-3)
lux to zero (gives just one city WLTK)
IBT:
vikings want peace-> no (in case we want to replace leipzig within 20 turns)
lose MI (which i let exposed )
bishbalik: settler->settler (needs 1 irrigation to grow in 1)
almaty: pike->pike
otrar: pike->pike
celts start leo
790 AD (4):
egypt send knights
found ulaan-uul SW of salt->settler
raze thebes (23-4)
IBT:
spot german settler pair next tot pithom
800 AD (5).
rush market in ulaanbaatar
fill keshik army
IBT:
lose keshik, 2 retreat (hittites got RoP with everybody exept russia and us)
karakorum: keshik->keshik
samarkand: keshik-keshik
ulaanbaatar: market->granary
bishkek: settler->settler
810 AD (6):
kill attacking units (26-5)
found borhoyn tal (dyes road)->court
found bayanhongor (egypt)->rax
IBT:
4 zerks+spear assemble near
khanbalik: keshik->keshik
bukhara: pike->pike
bishbalik: settler->settler
kattusas builds leo
moscow buids SoZ (no ivory for them)
wonder switches
820 AD (7):
raze giza (28-5)
rush settler in suhbaatar
IBT:
kill archer (29-5)
hittites unload settler pair
suhbaatar: settler->granary
hittites start bach
830 AD (8):
salt online
rush settler in bishek
rush settler in hovd
IBT:
lose another keshik (protected road) (29-5)
get boot from celts, give boot
barbs
karakorum: keshik->keshik
bishek: settler->setter
hovd: settler->musket
dishanbe: pike->musket
840 AD (9):
dispose camp
get leader, send him to core for bank or small wonder (may be a while...)
kill viking mini-SoD (36-5)
rush settler in bishbalik
rush settler in otrar (we now enought to raze pi-ramesses soon)
IBT:
aztec knight impales on hovd (37-5)
hittites want to sell us music for 630g, we don's need it
bishbalik: settler->settler
ottrar: settler->musket
egypt starts bach
trondheim finishes bach
850 AD (10):
refound giza->granary
notes:
few changes in trading (some more got PP)
vikings & egypt willing to pay (few), aztecs don't talk
still holding in W, advancing E (units ready to raze pi-ramesses this turn, but settler may be a bit too far away, keep an eye on german settler pair)
may be time to buy banking
leader has some movement left (ask myself why i didn't consider an army)
settlers:
ready SE of hovd
ready SW of ulaan-uul
suhbaatar on his way to hill W of russian archers
erdereet for refounding pi-ramesses on place
the one N of pithom(egypt) should move 1 SW and found
bukhara sould be sent to refound risor
built next turn in ulyasutay send SE of keshik (block celts next turn)
bishbalik set up to cashrush settler every other turn (make sure it grows every turn)
Roster:
El Filet -> played
Admiral Kuznov -> up
plarq -> on deck
our empire seems to be in pretty good shape
blue dot gives bishkent only one hill, i'd prefer mining some plains, depending on the settler situation
plan to use settlers for spices, salt, fur road & dyes road
with bishkek being a settler pump. i change market to granary und rush
celts are up PP, MusicT, bank & astro
let research on PP@min, we'll buy our way up anyway, but i'll wait until more then one has the techs
military plan: hold in W, destroy theben (for salt), tepeaca, pithom (both dyes road) & pi-ramesses (hurt egyptains)
IBT:
lots of aztec units arriving
lose pike to reg LB next to tepeaca
samarkand: keshik->keshik
bishkek: granary->settler
hit & rus start SoZ
celts adam
we're the happiest nation of the world (good job getting all those luxes
)found dalandz...dalSpices->galley
760 AD (1):
decide to take detour to alexandria for another egypt core city (can't resist with the prepared trebs and the road)
kill 2 aztec MI (2-1)
spot celtic settler
IBT:
talk with cleo, she's willing to give astro, but nothing more (she doesn't have much more, but not even that). don't intend to stop war before salt is secured.
kill LB & knight (4-1)
aztecs unload units next to undefended city
khanbalik: keshik->keshik
tashkent: granary->duct
qyzylorda: settler->pike
770 AD (2):
found ulaagom on fur road->walls
kill aztec mini-SoD (9-1)
kill egypt LB (10-1)
kill invador with newly constructed keshik
IBT:
kill 2 units (12-1)
vikings land settler pair close to spices
get boot from hittites
karakorum: keshik->keshik
780 AD (3):
lose LB (12-2)
kill spear (13-2)
lose keshik razing tepeaca (15-3)
notice bishbalik is the settler pump
rush settler
kill aztec MI (16-3)
raze alexandria (18-3)
take the slaves the vik sent us (19-3)
lux to zero (gives just one city WLTK)
IBT:
vikings want peace-> no (in case we want to replace leipzig within 20 turns)
lose MI (which i let exposed
)bishbalik: settler->settler (needs 1 irrigation to grow in 1)
almaty: pike->pike
otrar: pike->pike
celts start leo
790 AD (4):
egypt send knights
found ulaan-uul SW of salt->settler
raze thebes (23-4)
IBT:
spot german settler pair next tot pithom
800 AD (5).
rush market in ulaanbaatar
fill keshik army
IBT:
lose keshik, 2 retreat (hittites got RoP with everybody exept russia and us)
karakorum: keshik->keshik
samarkand: keshik-keshik
ulaanbaatar: market->granary
bishkek: settler->settler
810 AD (6):
kill attacking units (26-5)
found borhoyn tal (dyes road)->court
found bayanhongor (egypt)->rax
IBT:
4 zerks+spear assemble near
khanbalik: keshik->keshik
bukhara: pike->pike
bishbalik: settler->settler
kattusas builds leo
moscow buids SoZ (no ivory for them)
wonder switches
820 AD (7):
raze giza (28-5)
rush settler in suhbaatar
IBT:
kill archer (29-5)
hittites unload settler pair
suhbaatar: settler->granary
hittites start bach
830 AD (8):
salt online
rush settler in bishek
rush settler in hovd
IBT:
lose another keshik (protected road) (29-5)
get boot from celts, give boot
barbs
karakorum: keshik->keshik
bishek: settler->setter
hovd: settler->musket
dishanbe: pike->musket
840 AD (9):
dispose camp
get leader, send him to core for bank or small wonder (may be a while...)
kill viking mini-SoD (36-5)
rush settler in bishbalik
rush settler in otrar (we now enought to raze pi-ramesses soon)
IBT:
aztec knight impales on hovd (37-5)
hittites want to sell us music for 630g, we don's need it
bishbalik: settler->settler
ottrar: settler->musket
egypt starts bach
trondheim finishes bach
850 AD (10):
refound giza->granary
notes:
few changes in trading (some more got PP)
vikings & egypt willing to pay (few), aztecs don't talk
still holding in W, advancing E (units ready to raze pi-ramesses this turn, but settler may be a bit too far away, keep an eye on german settler pair)
may be time to buy banking
leader has some movement left (ask myself why i didn't consider an army)
settlers:
ready SE of hovd
ready SW of ulaan-uul
suhbaatar on his way to hill W of russian archers
erdereet for refounding pi-ramesses on place
the one N of pithom(egypt) should move 1 SW and found
bukhara sould be sent to refound risor
built next turn in ulyasutay send SE of keshik (block celts next turn)
bishbalik set up to cashrush settler every other turn (make sure it grows every turn)
Roster:
El Filet -> played
Admiral Kuznov -> up
plarq -> on deck
Doc Tsiolkovski
Deity
Monglos have nearly as confusing city names as Aztecs.
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
Try the Inca.
plarq
Crazy forever
And try those Hitties/Sumeria/Persian cities,or Korean.
