Vpr4-The Golden Horde
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plarq
Crazy forever
AWE is monster,we need to get someone out.
el_filet
Prince
i got it...
el_filet
Prince
750 BC (0):
change karakorum to horse
IBT:
ulanbaatar: horse->horse
samarkand: horse->horse
730 BC (1):
lose an archer against aztec JW
fall back at augustodurum
710 BC (2):
-
IBT:
karakorum: horse->spear
bukhara: walls->archer
entremont builds pyramids
egypt & vikes change to ToA
vikings start TGW
690 BC (3):
worker turns
IBT:
Khanbalik: archer->spear
iron port: harbor->worker
670 BC (4):
lose 2 archers against aztec JW
lose horse agains war
kill JW
IBT:
celts & russians allie agains us
lose horse to celt counter
karakorum: horse->spear
tashkent: walls->archer
650 BC (5):
destroy augustodurum (1 gold)
kill 2 celts
increase lux
IBT:
bishbalik: barracks->archer
630 BC (6):
pop rush spear in tashkent
kill 2 egypt warriors
IBT:
spearman defeats 3 warriors and retreat JW in tashkent
horse wins too
karakorum: spear->horse
samarkand: horse->horse
tashkent: spear->archer
610 BC (7):
kill vik in our backyard
lose horse agains 1 HP JW (promotes)
IBT:
elite spear defeats celtic archer
khanbalik: spear->horse
hattusas buils oracle
celts change to ToA
celts start TGW
590 BC (8):
reduce lux
IBT:
elite spear kills & retreats 1 JW
celts want 100 g for peace
ulanbaatar: horse->horse
570 BC (9):
kill vik warrior
kill JW
IBT:
lose spear in bishek after killing first egypt archer
karakorum: horse->settler
bukhara: archer->spear
550 BC (10):
lose archer
kill vik warrior
trade archers with aztecs
notes:
suggest we try to hit celts until straight peace (they're down to 40g), egypt afterward. defensive war against others.
should have changed bishek to walls on my early turns. sorry for the mess, i hope it holds (egypt archer 2/4 vs archer 4/5, river)
replayed turn 5 & 7 because i violated the variant rules (no changes)
change karakorum to horse
IBT:
ulanbaatar: horse->horse
samarkand: horse->horse
730 BC (1):
lose an archer against aztec JW
fall back at augustodurum
710 BC (2):
-
IBT:
karakorum: horse->spear
bukhara: walls->archer
entremont builds pyramids
egypt & vikes change to ToA
vikings start TGW
690 BC (3):
worker turns
IBT:
Khanbalik: archer->spear
iron port: harbor->worker
670 BC (4):
lose 2 archers against aztec JW
lose horse agains war
kill JW
IBT:
celts & russians allie agains us
lose horse to celt counter
karakorum: horse->spear
tashkent: walls->archer
650 BC (5):
destroy augustodurum (1 gold)
kill 2 celts
increase lux
IBT:
bishbalik: barracks->archer
630 BC (6):
pop rush spear in tashkent
kill 2 egypt warriors
IBT:
spearman defeats 3 warriors and retreat JW in tashkent
horse wins too
karakorum: spear->horse
samarkand: horse->horse
tashkent: spear->archer
610 BC (7):
kill vik in our backyard
lose horse agains 1 HP JW (promotes)
IBT:
elite spear defeats celtic archer
khanbalik: spear->horse
hattusas buils oracle
celts change to ToA
celts start TGW
590 BC (8):
reduce lux
IBT:
elite spear kills & retreats 1 JW
celts want 100 g for peace
ulanbaatar: horse->horse
570 BC (9):
kill vik warrior
kill JW
IBT:
lose spear in bishek after killing first egypt archer
karakorum: horse->settler
bukhara: archer->spear
550 BC (10):
lose archer
kill vik warrior
trade archers with aztecs
notes:
suggest we try to hit celts until straight peace (they're down to 40g), egypt afterward. defensive war against others.
should have changed bishek to walls on my early turns. sorry for the mess, i hope it holds (egypt archer 2/4 vs archer 4/5, river)
replayed turn 5 & 7 because i violated the variant rules (no changes)
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
Got it. Must remember defiant, barbaric, etc. Hope I don't lose a city.
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
save Recon: No changes
IT: 2/4 Egyptian archer withdraws from action at Bishkent. Spear takes out warrior archer and horse at Tashkent. Bishkek rax >archer
1) 530: unit positioning
IT: Khanbalik rax > archer. Monte, aka supergenius, in the suicidal volcano ploy, has situated his capital next to a volanco which erupts. Unfortunately for us, he throws enough virgins in prior to the eruption to survive.
2) 510: bump lux to 10%. 4/4 horse killed by 3/4 JW.
IT: Karakorum settler > settler. Samarkand horse >horse Bishbalik archer > archer. Balkh cat > cat. Monte building Temple of Artemis (won't the volcano god get angry?)
3) 490: drop lux to zero.
IT: Egypt brings in the germans. Now on all war. Iron Port worker to walls.
4) 470: tending the still.
IT: Stoking the fires...
5) 450:switch Bishkek to walls.
IT: Karakorum settler > horse. Khanbalik horse > horse. Bishkek walls > spear
6) 430: still maintenance
IT Ulaanbator horse > harbor
7) Found Balasaghan. (Sorry, DocT I screwed up the gems. My only excuse is offspring on sugar). borders are linked. w/o cultural expansion, we'd never get the whales anyway. 4/4 horse def. 3/3 Aztec sword. 4/4/ horse retreats from 4/4 Egyptian archer. 4/4 horse retreats from 3/3 Aztec archer. 4/4 def. 2/3 Aztec archer
IT: 4/4 spear def. 4/4 archer/ Samarak horse > cat. Bishbalik archer > archer. Egypt building Library of Alexandria in Giza.
8) zzz
IT: 5/5/ archer def. 4/4 spear and 3/3 warrior. 2/4 loses to 4/4/archer @ Bishkek
9) 370: 4/4/ horse def. 3/3 horse at Bukhara. @ bishkek, 5/5 archer def. 1/4 archer.
IT: @ Bukhara - 4/4/ spear def. 3/3 archer Karakorum horse > horse. Kahnbalik horse > horse. Blkh cat > cat.
10) 350: lots of moves left. stop
Note the Russian archer stack near Iron Port. I wasn't sure we're able to give anything for peace, so no diplomatic moves. Settler heading for game near Balasaghan. Building SoDs. Can start swords when Ulaanbator harbor comes in. I've been fighting defensively. IMHO, we need more workers and cats. I have no constructive suggestions on where to skim them until we get some peace.
I'll try to get a screenie up later.
IT: 2/4 Egyptian archer withdraws from action at Bishkent. Spear takes out warrior archer and horse at Tashkent. Bishkek rax >archer
1) 530: unit positioning
IT: Khanbalik rax > archer. Monte, aka supergenius, in the suicidal volcano ploy, has situated his capital next to a volanco which erupts. Unfortunately for us, he throws enough virgins in prior to the eruption to survive.
2) 510: bump lux to 10%. 4/4 horse killed by 3/4 JW.
IT: Karakorum settler > settler. Samarkand horse >horse Bishbalik archer > archer. Balkh cat > cat. Monte building Temple of Artemis (won't the volcano god get angry?)
3) 490: drop lux to zero.
IT: Egypt brings in the germans. Now on all war. Iron Port worker to walls.
4) 470: tending the still.
IT: Stoking the fires...
5) 450:switch Bishkek to walls.
IT: Karakorum settler > horse. Khanbalik horse > horse. Bishkek walls > spear
6) 430: still maintenance
IT Ulaanbator horse > harbor
7) Found Balasaghan. (Sorry, DocT I screwed up the gems. My only excuse is offspring on sugar). borders are linked. w/o cultural expansion, we'd never get the whales anyway. 4/4 horse def. 3/3 Aztec sword. 4/4/ horse retreats from 4/4 Egyptian archer. 4/4 horse retreats from 3/3 Aztec archer. 4/4 def. 2/3 Aztec archer
IT: 4/4 spear def. 4/4 archer/ Samarak horse > cat. Bishbalik archer > archer. Egypt building Library of Alexandria in Giza.
8) zzz
IT: 5/5/ archer def. 4/4 spear and 3/3 warrior. 2/4 loses to 4/4/archer @ Bishkek
9) 370: 4/4/ horse def. 3/3 horse at Bukhara. @ bishkek, 5/5 archer def. 1/4 archer.
IT: @ Bukhara - 4/4/ spear def. 3/3 archer Karakorum horse > horse. Kahnbalik horse > horse. Blkh cat > cat.
10) 350: lots of moves left. stop
Note the Russian archer stack near Iron Port. I wasn't sure we're able to give anything for peace, so no diplomatic moves. Settler heading for game near Balasaghan. Building SoDs. Can start swords when Ulaanbator harbor comes in. I've been fighting defensively. IMHO, we need more workers and cats. I have no constructive suggestions on where to skim them until we get some peace.
I'll try to get a screenie up later.
plarq
Crazy forever
Got it.Immediately playing
plarq
Crazy forever
350BC:Check tech:We lack CoL,Currency and Construction for
MA.Vikings,Hitties,Egypt and Celts in MA already.Fighting against
Celts,kill sword and horse,retreat one horse.In AW and no one willing to
sign straight peace,even close.So we're in a real bad shape.We have more
money but cannot rush anything.
IBT:Celts moving.Russian Archers approach Iron Port
330BC:Fight and kill 2 Russian Archers with our archers.
IBT:Russian SoD died,I lost nothing but some hp.
310BC:Carelessly attack a lone horse,expose my archer.
IBT:Archer died.3-man Chariots and JW approach our motherland,WoW!
290BC:We need 100g to peace with Russia,i.e we need to kill five
Russians to sign straight peace.
IBT:Gem city razed by Celts for 40g...Peace price jumps up.
270BC:Iron connected,start swords in some cities.
IBT:Celts and Hitties invasion forces are big.
250BC:We killed Celtic Hero Vercingtox,that's making me feel better.
IBT:We lose Wine city and Karakorum riots
230BC:We retake city and retreive money,Iron pillaged by Germans.Egypt
needs 180g,i.e 9 Egyptians to sign peace.
IBT:Celts and Egyptian starts Sun Tsu.Aztec need 200g,i.e 10 Aztecs for
peace.
210BC:Celts and Hitties are overwhelming in west fronts
IBT:Hitties start Sun Tsu.
190BC:War is harsh,get MGL in western Front.Build horse army.We can sign
straight peace with Celts,NOW!Although Brennus slayed our Mongolian
people,we have to sign peace with him.Brennus is stinking rich with 1kg.
I'd sign Monarchy and Currency for 35gpt and 37g.Then boot him to regain
35gpt.Min on Construction now,hope to sign Cathy and get CoL and Lit.
170BC:I revolt.
150BC:Razed Egyptian city,hope to make deal soon.Egypt needs 5 kills.Aztec need 6 kills.Russia needs 2 kills.Germany needs 3 kills.Vikings need 2 kills.
Hitties willing to sign peace.
Summary:We need to sign peace ASAP.And we can trade Currency for Lit and CoL with Russia if we can sign straight peace.We lack Construction and CoL for MA,And I'm afraid Celts and Egypt mastered 1st-tier tech in MA.
MA.Vikings,Hitties,Egypt and Celts in MA already.Fighting against
Celts,kill sword and horse,retreat one horse.In AW and no one willing to
sign straight peace,even close.So we're in a real bad shape.We have more
money but cannot rush anything.
IBT:Celts moving.Russian Archers approach Iron Port
330BC:Fight and kill 2 Russian Archers with our archers.
IBT:Russian SoD died,I lost nothing but some hp.
310BC:Carelessly attack a lone horse,expose my archer.
IBT:Archer died.3-man Chariots and JW approach our motherland,WoW!
290BC:We need 100g to peace with Russia,i.e we need to kill five
Russians to sign straight peace.
IBT:Gem city razed by Celts for 40g...Peace price jumps up.
270BC:Iron connected,start swords in some cities.
IBT:Celts and Hitties invasion forces are big.
250BC:We killed Celtic Hero Vercingtox,that's making me feel better.
IBT:We lose Wine city and Karakorum riots
230BC:We retake city and retreive money,Iron pillaged by Germans.Egypt
needs 180g,i.e 9 Egyptians to sign peace.
IBT:Celts and Egyptian starts Sun Tsu.Aztec need 200g,i.e 10 Aztecs for
peace.
210BC:Celts and Hitties are overwhelming in west fronts
IBT:Hitties start Sun Tsu.
190BC:War is harsh,get MGL in western Front.Build horse army.We can sign
straight peace with Celts,NOW!Although Brennus slayed our Mongolian
people,we have to sign peace with him.Brennus is stinking rich with 1kg.
I'd sign Monarchy and Currency for 35gpt and 37g.Then boot him to regain
35gpt.Min on Construction now,hope to sign Cathy and get CoL and Lit.
170BC:I revolt.
150BC:Razed Egyptian city,hope to make deal soon.Egypt needs 5 kills.Aztec need 6 kills.Russia needs 2 kills.Germany needs 3 kills.Vikings need 2 kills.
Hitties willing to sign peace.
Summary:We need to sign peace ASAP.And we can trade Currency for Lit and CoL with Russia if we can sign straight peace.We lack Construction and CoL for MA,And I'm afraid Celts and Egypt mastered 1st-tier tech in MA.
plarq
Crazy forever
Screen shot
plarq
Crazy forever
I've done two foolish things:
1.Revolt to Monarchy while we almost don't suffer from Tile Penalty
2.Pay Celts 35gpt,and they leave my territory!
Next player need to provoke Celts to gain our 35gpt.
Kill those junks to archieve peace,I've list them above.Almost no one sending Swords AND Horses together.
1.Revolt to Monarchy while we almost don't suffer from Tile Penalty
2.Pay Celts 35gpt,and they leave my territory!
Next player need to provoke Celts to gain our 35gpt.
Kill those junks to archieve peace,I've list them above.Almost no one sending Swords AND Horses together.
Doc Tsiolkovski
Deity
plarq:
Revolting was fine, we need to be able to cash-rush (and we do suffer from tile penalty, mostly for commerce). And we can afford the payment anyway.
However, who razed our Gems city? And, was it autorazed, or deliberately burned to the ground? If the later, we must eliminate that Civ.
Very good to get the Celts out (though I could imagine they will be bought back); they're GAing...Pyramids. I think I wouldn't try to get them back to war. Better defend against Aztecs/Vikings/Hitties, make peace with Russia, and keep
Germany and maybe even Egypt; both are weaker than we are.
Revolting was fine, we need to be able to cash-rush (and we do suffer from tile penalty, mostly for commerce). And we can afford the payment anyway.
However, who razed our Gems city? And, was it autorazed, or deliberately burned to the ground? If the later, we must eliminate that Civ.
Very good to get the Celts out (though I could imagine they will be bought back); they're GAing...Pyramids. I think I wouldn't try to get them back to war. Better defend against Aztecs/Vikings/Hitties, make peace with Russia, and keep
Germany and maybe even Egypt; both are weaker than we are.
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
Musings of an almost complete idiot(99.44%):
1. Colony on the gems per DocT (which I screwed up)
2. Peace per DocT but include Cleo. In 20 we'll better set up to take them out.
3. Put Otto into OCC, keep the iron connected at all costs.
4. Settle the great white NW (ICS?) New cities do cats before rax.
5. Connect a second wine.
6. Fight defensively for now. We have too many enemies (I feel like R.M. Nixon, even paranoids have enemies...) to go on offensives. Build SoD to go after one. This is probably 20-40 turns in the future.
1. Colony on the gems per DocT (which I screwed up)
2. Peace per DocT but include Cleo. In 20 we'll better set up to take them out.
3. Put Otto into OCC, keep the iron connected at all costs.
4. Settle the great white NW (ICS?) New cities do cats before rax.
5. Connect a second wine.
6. Fight defensively for now. We have too many enemies (I feel like R.M. Nixon, even paranoids have enemies...) to go on offensives. Build SoD to go after one. This is probably 20-40 turns in the future.
plarq
Crazy forever
@DocT:Celts autorazed gem city(no culture,pop 1,no infra).
@Lulthyme,peace price has been listed in my log
@Team
eace is really precious.And we don't need Lit and Republic anyway.
@Lulthyme,peace price has been listed in my log
@Team
eace is really precious.And we don't need Lit and Republic anyway.
plarq
Crazy forever
While Lulthyme post a skip and Viper's an autoskip,Doc Tsiolkovski is up.
Doc Tsiolkovski
Deity
Can't tell exactly when I can play, but surely before any of the others.
Got it.
Got it.
