wanna beta test, it only costs 50 or so.

[Mirc]

With my crappy computer if I'll try to run Civ4 probably I'll see smoke in the room with the computer . But I won't buy it anyway now, even if I would have had a good computer. I hate the change of Attack/Defense with Strength, and I wait a little more so that new patches, mods and scenarios release.

 

[Cerryl]

I have a very similar system to yours, and while the game isn't as fast between the turns as I'd like, I have no bugs, crashes, glitches of any kind.

The beta for this game went on for over a year, it's fine.

 

[Sorceresss]

Convincing many of them [gamers] to get some virus/spyware dectection/removal programs on their systems is one of the harder things to do. Just because you don't 'think' you have any viruses or spyware or it just doesn't jump out in your face, doesn't mean you don't have 100's of them on your system. I've seen systems that use the FREE internet spyware/virus detectors/removers and then run a "real spyware/virus" detector/remover program on them and find 100's of infected files. FREE stuff isn't worth crap when it comes to protecting your system. If you don't have a virus/spyware program that updates "daily" you aren't protected and have a piece of crap spyware/virus protection program cause new virues/spyware are created every single day and nearly every single minute.

I absolutely & totally agree with you on that point, Ravinhood. Malware programmers are getting smarter and more deceitful on a daily basis. Simply surfing on the Net can get you infected by sneaky crap which can generate chaotic interference with the orderly operation of normal programs (such as Civ IV), when it does not cause more cybertoxic harm.

I do not take the time to run a full scan by the AV once a day (it takes too long), but I do execute the following scans at least once a day :

PestPatrol (with paid subscription)
Spyware Doctor (with paid subscription)
AdAware SE Personal (it is free and the updates are for free!)
Spybot S&D (it is free and the updates are for free!)

I have found out that I needed to run those 4 (and the AV, at least once a week) to catch everything. Of course, none of those programs (and least of all, the AV) are running in the background when playing Civ 4.

I also employ 2 registry cleaners, at least twice a day (AM & PM) :

Registry Mechanic (with paid subscription)
Registry Fix

I hope that Ravinhood's message will get through : gamers must maintain very clean systems, on a daily basis.

 

[blue3c]

Am i missing something or is this your argument ( blue3c)?you start out by telling us that Civ4 is more of a beta game than a finished one and that all in all it is a bad unfinished game, and they tricked you into buying the game ( beta), and end by telling us to boycott it.

Firstly i want to start out saying that i love your argument technique, that is,you seem to skip a pivitol part of the argument, telling us why its unfinished. I and apprently many others think it is a great game, but thats not imporant.

your saying that we should boycott this game not only becuase it is unfinished, but because they trick us into buying it
" Paying top dollar, at release, only to be suckered into a rushed to production unfinished game"
did they make you buy the game? no. Did they somehow mislead you in any way? no. Did you ahve to buy the game before wating to see what other people think about to guage weather its worth your money? no. as you yourself said you bought the game without knowing what it is
" I am sure you read Sid and said this game will rock no matter what."
so you bought the game based on brand loyalty ( perhaps the worst type of loyalty). Finished or unfinished they have a right to release their game in any stage of development, and they have a right to think they have a good product, it is up to the consumer ( thats you and me) to be able to wisly choose what to buy ( based on forums shuch as this wiht people who rate the game, and based on review sites, that all gave civ4 a great score).

lastly you say that sid owes us a apology and that anyhtign else is a " slap in the face". I got a little lost here. Even if we all agree that the game sucks and is otaly unfinished and buggy, why should they aplogize to us? have they dont anything wrong? did they make the game bad just to spite us, just to make our lives worse? no, they for varous reasons, from lazyness to senility or stupidity ( for the sake of argument, becuase i think its a great game) made a sub-standerd game, but they didnt market to any person individually, but instead but it on a rack and marketed to the world " buy our game". Thats not something you apologize for. If they or the box specificly told you to buy the game becuase you wont regret it ( when i first saw the civ4 box it spoke to me too ) then they should apologize, becuase asuming that everyone is earnest in thier advertisements, they lied to you and the comunity by saying that we woudnt regret it. But as I noted they didnt say that, they just said that is a good game.
The diffrence between the 2 advertisements is that the " its a good game" advertisement ( the one they used) is subjective and their earnest opinoin, something that they shoudnt apologize for.
while the " you wont regret it" advertisement ( the one you seemed to think they were using) it is factual,for you do, IN FACT, regret buying it. They never said you woudnt regret it, they never said you would like, they merley used thier right to be proud of thier work and said that siv4 rocks and we should buy it.
*phew -=-=-=*

actualy on thing that is more in the last place than the last, last argument. You also said that you dont like that BF2 runs bad on your comp and that it shoudnt because it is within min specs. If you haev the min specs that just means that the game wil run on your computer, but that it will run very badly ( thats what MINUMUM means). Also, had you of waited and read the reviews or looked on forums, you would have known that. All of the reviews i have read said that BF2 is a machine monster, and thier are plenty of people on forums like you who have similar specs who complain that ( with specs like yours) the game tuns terribly.

ps: every game forum i go to this type of thread pops up and every time i say practicly the same thing becuase for soem reason i cant comprehend this type of attack on developers pisses me off the most of all of the trolling that goes on on forums.



no hard feelings blue3c, if i sounded like a *******, its probobly becuase i am .

No hard feelings at all. I see things differently then you. So be it.
If I said I had only the min specs, I am sorry. I do have above average machine and bf2 and civ have been buggy at best.
I agree that what I have been able to play on CIV has been amazing and a little like crack. Which is why I am so upset.
I believe there to be a memory leak on larger maps. After a bit I get lagging which results in a) ctd or b) black screen and no way out except the old power button. Note this is all on lower res and min sounds.
The problem I am hearing about with the ati cards and other vid related issues leads me to believe this is a still in beta. Not ready for release. Yes I understand the dif between what corp wants and what a good dev team says.
My biggest problem is with all the above problems and Sid putting his name on this. Like I have said, I have been a sid fan from the old dos days. This is not my first shot at gaming. I have been doing this for many many years. I have watched the gaming industry continue to release un finished products. And basically I am sick of it.
Yes you are right no one put a gun to my head. Did they mislead me. YES, are you kidding me. By releaseing a product that is unfinished. That is buggy and has multiple issues that should have been caught in beta testing.

Basically, game is great when it does play. But the constant crashes and lock ups not to mention the video issues make this game crap.

 

[fishlore]

I have an ATI card. I didn't have to do anything special to get the game to work. It ran the first time and every time since.

Having the recomended specs is great and everything. That doesn't mean that all drivers are maintained and updated all the time. It doesn't mean that the hard drive is in order and free of adware, spyware, malware, viruses, trojans and many other things. It doesn't mean that the the vpu or cpu isn't overclocked to unreasonable levels. It doesn't mean that all windows service packs have been installed and it doesn't mean that virtual memory is managed correctly.

The fact of the matter is that there is more to PC gaming than putting a cd in your drive and living happily ever after. Like it or not, PC gaming requires at least a rudimentary level of troubleshooting skills and hardware knowledge. It's been this way ever since I started gaming, long before Civ 1. It has gotten much better since that time. Every game used to be a challenge back in the day.

It's so funny. I was against the move to 3D from the beginning. Not because I didn't think I'd be able to run it, but I KNEW without question that so many people ADVOCATING the change wouldn't be able to run it despite having the required specs. 3D has added nothing to the gameplay and it has simply alienated such a large portion of the audience it's laughable. Careful what you wish for.

 

[Dtry]

It works fine for me. I like the game and am having fun with it. The only problem I am having is the memory leak problem. But it is a very small thing. I have not had a single CTD.

 

[Janos]

Game is running fine with me bar a graphical error or two that cannot be helped, and the Radeon problem. It's an excellent game in my eyes.

 

[blue3c]

Ok so I was going to go through and answer all these posts that address me and my thoughts/feelings of right and wrong. Of what a company says it put out and what it actually did. But I do not have that much time today.
I can honestly say this is all making me laugh. From the people who remember back in the day when we needed to see how much upper mem we had left. Yes I remember the good old dos days. To the people who have a second mortage just to be able to afford the uber machine they have in front of them.

I do not understand you people who claim no promises were made. Yes, yes and yes. On the side of the box. Min and req system requirments. If you exceed the rec sys requirments. You should be able to play the game. Install game, insert play disk, oh wait, install disk and play. That right there shows the lack of concern when putting this game out.
It was rushed and it not finished. I have contacted take2 fireaxis the whole bit. I got put on hold and canned responses from the email.
I am getting kinda sick and tired of people popping in with "well it works for me, so it must work for everyone". This is not the case. It does not work for everyone. It does not do what it says. It is not finished.
As for your tech support, DO NOT imply that I do not know how to set up a machine. I have been a tech since the early 90's and been working on computers since the late 80's. Do not pretend to know my technical ability. YOU DO NOT. Do not assume to know me. I have posted a whooping 29 times in here. woo hoo. From those you can not assume to know me.
You can assume to know I am pissed about the gaming industry as a whole putting out unfinished games and selling the patch in an expansion pack.
I am sick of the u rah rah go civ go, I can run this on my uber machine people telling me the can play. Who really cares that you can play the game. Most of us in here can not. If you are just going to bash me and the others that can not. Then STFU. We do not want hear it. We want to hear there is a patch in the works. It will be out shortly. We apologize for any problems you may have had with our product. We will work in the future to ensure this does not happen again. Because we care about our name and the product we put out.
Not "sucker".

 

[jajohns8]

I would like to support what blue is saying.

The game is not stable. I have a machine that exceeds the min and rec. specs and I still get CTDs.

The philosophy of putting a game out to "meet a deadline" and the idea of "we'll make patches later" is gettting rediculously annoying.
I can see "minor" tweaks and updates coming out...but I think we can all agree the patches coming out for Civ 4 will not be minor.

People w/out internet access who bought the game early on are just SOL, I guess right?

 

[MattJek]

My god, can someone please close down tuseless post. I already wrote how I hate reading post that feature oodles of pissing and moaning by someone who cant get the game to work and is now bitter. THE GAME HAS BUGS, OK, I THINK WE ALL GET IT

 

[blue3c]

My god, can someone please close down tuseless post. I already wrote how I hate reading post that feature oodles of pissing and moaning by someone who cant get the game to work and is now bitter. THE GAME HAS BUGS, OK, I THINK WE ALL GET IT

I am sorry didn't realize we were all here to please you?!?! So you don't like reading it. Then don't.

 

[fishlore]

I can honestly say this is all making me laugh.

Your whining is making me laugh.

If you exceed the rec sys requirments. You should be able to play the game.

So Mr. Tech Man, if your hardware exceeds the specs you shouldn't have to download, update and/or manage drivers? You shouldn't have to worry about directx versions or Windows service packs? You shouldn't have to keep your hard drive clean and free from malicious software? It should work no matter what state your computer is in? You sure do sound like a tech guru.

I am getting kinda sick and tired of people popping in with "well it works for me, so it must work for everyone".

Likewise we're sick of people like you claiming that Civ 4 is a buggy piece of crap. If many thousands of people can play this game without issues or bugs then it must not have anything to do with your PC, it's buggy software right? That's one heck of a jump in logic.

As for your tech support, DO NOT imply that I do not know how to set up a machine. I have been a tech since the early 90's and been working on computers since the late 80's. Do not pretend to know my technical ability. YOU DO NOT.

You sound like one heck of a computer technician. Let's just say you'd be the last person on earth I'd ask for computer help. Of course I don't believe you for a second but I digress.

You can assume to know I am pissed about the gaming industry as a whole putting out unfinished games and selling the patch in an expansion pack.

Put your money where your mouth is and stop buying games then. Maybe you should just quit gaming on the PC altogether. Maybe consoles are more your speed.

Who really cares that you can play the game. Most of us in here can not.

Who cares if you can play it or not? Oh I forgot you're the center of the universe and everyone here is to serve you. It appears to me that there are many, many more people here who can play as opposed to those who cannot.

Then STFU.{/QUOTE]

I think it's your adolescent @ss that needs to "STFU." Computer techs from the '80's don't normally tell people to STFU and gamers know better than to say things like "they'll sell the patch in an expansion pack." So what does that make you? An idiot; that's what it makes you.

Have a nice day.

 

[Padma]

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