Was the US Built by Slaves?

[Lexicus]

If you're that convinced that even in our most decadent and naive state we're still supreme, that should tell you something about how inferior you are.

LOL. Two things you don't know: the meaning of the phrase "white supremacy", and my race.

 

[Flying Pig]

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[Traitorfish]

War and tribal rivalries do not mean that Europeans are willing to accept cultures outside their sphere dominating them. That's the explanation for "Islamophobia" today just like the Crusades in the past. We're a bunch of dudes in a bar that will get in a fight, but raise a glass afterward. As soon as someone tries to take the bar away from us though, the infighting stops and that poor bastard gets everyone's full attention.

The heck's a "sphere"?

I mean, I grew up in a country where the strongest ethno-religious distinction was drawn between Gaelic Catholics and Anglo-Brythonic Protestants. That these two groups are in fact of a single "sphere", that they're essentially one of a kind, that five centuries of bloodshed and bad-feeling are just "tribal rivalries", well, it comes as a surprise, put it that way.

I imagine that, were you survey Prussians and Poles or Croats and Serbs, you'd find a similar scepticism. Similarly, if you were to cross the line between these "spheres" and tell a Kurd and an Arab or a Pashtun and a Tajik that there's no more between them than between a City fan and a United fan, you'd probably encounter a similar bafflement.

Face it, all this "white pride worldwide" stuff, it's just bleeding-heart liberal clap-trap.

 

[jma22tb]

They're both Christian Europeans, so when you have people flooding the country who are hostile to both of their interests, they are willing to put that squabbling aside for mutual self-preservation.

I don't know what's so complicated about that.

Haha right. You're in for a very surprising 14 years.

 

[Traitorfish]

They're both Christian Europeans, so when you have people flooding the country who are hostile to both of their interests, they are willing to put that squabbling aside for mutual self-preservation.

Traditionally, the Protestants saw the Catholics in precisely those terms: as an alien people hostile to their interests. What leads you to believe that their judgement was mistaken, but your, essentially identical judgement, is some profound civilisational truth?

 

[Lexicus]

What leads you to believe that their judgement was mistaken, but your, essentially identical judgement, is some profound civilisational truth?

Starts with W, rhymes with right supremacy

 

[Traitorfish]

Starts with W, rhymes with right supremacy

White supremacists have not historically been above expressing and acting upon antipathy towards other "white" ethnic groups. German fascists hate Poles, Polish fascists hate Serbian fascists, all the fascists hate Russians and Russian fascists hate everybody. This weird, ahistorical plea for white unity is a novelty, and not one I understand the reasoning behind.

 

[jma22tb]

The reasoning is that due to "globalization" the ability to even have those squabbles is at risk. That's why the Alt Right is growing faster than any counter-culture group in the world online.

 

[Lexicus]

White supremacists have not historically been above expressing and acting upon antipathy towards other "white" ethnic groups. German fascists hate Poles, Polish fascists hate Serbian fascists, all the fascists hate Russians and Russian fascists hate everybody. This weird, ahistorical plea for white unity is a novelty, and not one I understand the reasoning behind.

Duh, but they're past that now. Just ask jma.

On a more serious note, it's a result of the changing definition of the concept of 'whiteness' over time.

 

[Flying Pig]

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Back on the subject, a UN panel recently ruled that the US 'owes black people reparations for a history of slavery and racial terrorism':

The history of slavery in the United States justifies reparations for African Americans, argues a recent reportby a U.N.-affiliated group based in Geneva.

This conclusion was part of a study by the United Nations' Working Group of Experts on People of African Descent, a body that reports to the international organization's High Commissioner on Human Rights. The group of experts, which includes leading human rights lawyers from around the world, presented its findings to the United Nations Human Rights Council on Monday, pointing to the continuing link between present injustices and the dark chapters of American history.

"In particular, the legacy of colonial history, enslavement, racial subordination and segregation, racial terrorism and racial inequality in the United States remains a serious challenge, as there has been no real commitment to reparations and to truth and reconciliation for people of African descent," the report stated. "Contemporary police killings and the trauma that they create are reminiscent of the past racial terror of lynching."

I was particularly drawn to the final quotation. An over-exaggerated comparison, or proof that the more things change, the more they stay the same?

 

[Lexicus]

I saw that report too. Found it very interesting. The last quotation is probably somewhere between those two. Things are not as bad as they were in the age of lynchings, but neither are they as good as the "post-racial" fantasy would suggest.

 

[jma22tb]

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Back on the subject, a UN panel recently ruled that the US 'owes black people reparations for a history of slavery and racial terrorism':



I was particularly drawn to the final quotation. An over-exaggerated comparison, or proof that the more things change, the more they stay the same?

It is part of an ongoing attempt to destroy European and American countries by people who are terrified of Brexit, Donald Trump, and the surging right-wing nationalism becoming the will of the people, like when Orban just won 95% of the vote on the "refugee" referendum.

This is a purely Anti-American initiative, funded by George Soros and his criminal organizations.

 

[Lexicus]

Hmm, I'm curious if you can adduce any evidence as to the Soros connection.

 

[jma22tb]

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/blacklivesmatter-leader-deray-lives-home-owned-by-soros-connected/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ots-provide-unique-opportunity-reform-police/

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/20/geor...ees-through-his-open-society-foundations.html

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/soros-memo-blm-federalized-police/

http://www.mintpressnews.com/leaked-george-soros-puppet-master-behind-ukrainian-regime/206574/

Soros is one of the most dangerous men in the world and is an enemy of any European or American White person

 

[Lexicus]

At the risk of derailing the thread further I'll simply say that not one of those links provides evidence that George Soros had anything at all to do with that UN report, though they do offer a fascinating view into the psyche of American white supremacists.

 

[Flying Pig]

It is part of an ongoing attempt to destroy European and American countries by people who are terrified of Brexit, Donald Trump, and the surging right-wing nationalism becoming the will of the people, like when Orban just won 95% of the vote on the "refugee" referendum.

This is a purely Anti-American initiative, funded by George Soros and his criminal organizations.

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[Traitorfish]

The reasoning is that due to "globalization" the ability to even have those squabbles is at risk. That's why the Alt Right is growing faster than any counter-culture group in the world online.

What has changed, then, in the last twenty years, that the relative recent and for many people still very raw conflicts between Cathilics and Protestants in Ulster or between the nationalities of the former Yugoslavia have been swept aside after a century or more of bitterness and bloodshed? What do you make of current hostilities in Ukraine, which are being waged not only between white European Christians, but between groups of white European Christians with similar languages and cultures and strong historical ties?

Similarly, if "globalisation" has compressed broad civilisational groups into clear political units, then why do some many Muslims find themselves taking up arms against other Muslims? In Syria and Iraq, we see a conflict involving some half-dozen violently conflict factions, all dominated by Muslims. (The only non-Muslims groups, the small Druze and Assyrian contingents, form a peripheral part of the Muslim-dominated Kurdish bloc.) Why are the Muslims of Syria and Iraq so enthusiastically slaughtering each other, and not their civilisational enemies across the Bosphorus?

Why, in short, does the great civilisational conflict you imagine seem to be doing anything but unfolding?

 

[jma22tb]

Follow the money and you'll see

 

[Traitorfish]

Follow the money and you'll see

Why do I get the impression that we're only two or three posts from the word "Rothschild" followed by a knowing wink?

Duh, but they're past that now. Just ask jma.

On a more serious note, it's a result of the changing definition of the concept of 'whiteness' over time.

That seems like a very American outlook. In Europe, the dynamic is if anything reversed: "whiteness" is recognised pragmatically, depending on your attitude towards the group in question. Given that European jingoists have seriously revised their attitudes towards their traditional enemies and show no particular signs of doing so, it's not clear how a grudging, academic acknowledgement that perhaps the Irish aren't just pasty Negroids after all is going to alter the fundamental orientation of English fascists towards a Gaelic population they continue to despise.

 

[Ajidica]

Why do I get the impression that we're only two or three posts from the word "Rothschild" followed by a knowing wink?

I'd say we are well past the knowing wink and starting to warm up the presses for Der Sturmer.

That seems like a very American outlook. In Europe, the dynamic is if anything reversed: "whiteness" is recognised pragmatically, depending on your attitude towards the group in question. Given that European jingoists have seriously revised their attitudes towards their traditional enemies and show no particular signs of doing so, it's not clear how a grudging, academic acknowledgement that perhaps the Irish aren't just pasty Negroids after all is going to alter the fundamental orientation of English fascists towards a Gaelic population they continue to despise.

Out of curiosity, while watching the Sharpe miniseries I saw the term "black Irish" used by characters we are clearly intended to dislike. Is there any historical basis for this phrase as linking Irish to Africans, are the two completely unrelated, or is it just something invented in the mind of the writers for Sharpe?