Was this really necessary?

[Yared]

I meant it sarcastically too


Why else? Because you didn't get it?

 

[need my speed]

Then I would ask what he meant.

I knew you meant the post above my previous post serious (I said 'means', not 'meant'). And after seeing your last post (well, the one before that, the one before the one above this one (confusing?)), I knew that you meant your first post sarcastically.

Well...

 

[wolfigor]

The Maya actually abandoned the larger cities and that more negative aspect of society.

hahahahaha... well... that's a way to put it.
The Maya actually abandoned their own towns because of ecological collapse (partially self inflicted): over-population on a region with a strong dependency on precipitation for irrigation, and routinely afflicted by cyclic droughts.
The most recent studies shows that Maya collapse was due to a combination of environmental damage, climate change, and hostile neighbors.

The Anasazi of southwestern North America collapsed due to their destruction of their own forests, causing reduced food production and starvation, and leading to warfare and cannibalism in last effort for survival.
This affection that all native population were like mythical elves with a life in perfect equilibrium with nature is quite childish and proven wrong.
Most of the native communities in the Americas weren't much more ecological inclined than their old-world counterparts.

 

[EmpireOfCats]

This affection that all native population were like mythical elves with a life in perfect equilibrium with nature is quite childish and proven wrong.

The best book on the subject, the one that everybody anywhere should read, and the one that Civ fans will love, is "Guns, Germs, and Steel" by Jared Diamond. It will change the way you look at history and it will change the way you look at race. Then, after you are done with that, read his "Collapse", which is ever more fun if you like Civ.

You can have both done by September. And yes, it will be on the test.

 

[wolfigor]

The best book on the subject, the one that everybody anywhere should read, and the one that Civ fans will love, is "Guns, Germs, and Steel" by Jared Diamond. It will change the way you look at history and it will change the way you look at race. Then, after you are done with that, read his "Collapse", which is ever more fun if you like Civ.

You can have both done by September. And yes, it will be on the test.

I already read both of them... very instructive books to understand not only the past but also the present and the future.
I warmly suggest to everybody.

 

[Ymir9]

That Iroquois factoid is completely ridiculous, but then again look at America's...

 

[awesome]

i'm not sure what your definition of "ridiculous" is.

 

[civ_king]

i'm not sure what your definition of "ridiculous" is.

probably the claiming brown/native-americans ever did something important (I'm being facetious)

 

[awesome]

facetious, but probably right. but he also said, "but then again look at america's"
the way i see it:
iroquois: their constitution was used to write another one 2 centuries later by people who generally looked down on their culture. interesting.
america: first to land on the moon. interesting, though common knowledge.
siam: thailand won the miss universe competition a couple times. not quite as interesting.

 

[Frank Drebin]

what iroquois constitution?
and are you saying the american constitution is a rip-off of it?

 

[awesome]

The Watauga Association at Sycamore Shoals near Elizabethton drafted the first constitution ever written by white men in America in 1772. It was patterned after the constitution of the Iroquois League of Nations, a federal system of government developed 200 years earlier for five eastern Native American tribes.

that iroquois constitution. and "used to write" doesn't mean "rip off," just means it was one of the sources used. sorry if i made it sound like that.
the constitution of the united states might've also taken some ideas from it, like it did with other documents, but no, it's definitely not a rip off of anything.

 

[Footen]

According to tradition the Iroquois Confederation came into being around AD 1570. The Confederation was a union of five (later six) Native American tribes. The Iroquois are an amazing people: with a population that probably never exceeded 20,000, lacking a written language and possessing no manufacturing base at all, for two centuries the Iroquois managed to hold their own against the French, English, Dutch, and later Colonial Americans.

Factoid:
The Watauga Association at Sycamore Shoals near Elizabethton drafted the first constitution ever written by white men in America in 1772. It was patterned after the constitution of the Iroquois League of Nations, a federal system of government developed 200 years earlier for five eastern Native American tribes.

Evil americans copied a non-written iroqui constitution?

That american overview looks like it was written by a high school emo, someone that is fat, with greasy hair and nasal whiny voice complaining about USA for all the wrong reasons whenever he gets the chance. How incredibly unproffessional to unload your emo tripe at work and on the game website you are designing. Really cheapens my impression of the Civilization brand.

The United States of America is a world "super-power" (which more or less means that it possesses weapons capable of destroying everything on the planet). A relatively young civilization, the United States formed in the 18th century, nearly self-destructed in the 19th century, and became the most powerful and dominant military, technological, cultural and economical civilization in the 20th. One can hardly guess what will happen to it in the 21st.

My first impression of Civilization 5. Its gonna be a fat, depressed and whiny game.

 

[AriochIV]

Luckily, the person/people who create the website usually have nothing whatsoever to do with the development of the game itself. So while I find it annoying, it doesn't look to impact my enjoyment of the game.

 

[Frank Drebin]

it's not even annoying. who cares?

 

[Footen]

I care because its incredibly unproffessional to whine on your paid assignment. He has an easy job designing webpages yet he cant do it properly. It looks nice, the animation of George Washington is more realistic then in civ4 but when you read the text its childish and immature whining coupled with utter stupidity instead of interesting historical facts.

The whole site is advertisement for Civilization 5. Who hired that person to create an attractive image of their new game? Who paid that person money to write something so stupid and offensive? He couldve just kept his opinions to himself and done his job like any normal person would.

 

[awesome]

americans tend to know the most about the people we don't like, so maybe it's a good thing for turkey we don't know too much about them.

 

[blitzkrieg1980]

Oh go and get a sense of humor. Nationalism is for suckers. The most popular (and relatively new) monotheistic religion, nationalism is practiced by a vast majority of the world's population and transcends the classic emotional loyalties once reserved for traditional religion (Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc etc).

I was born in the USA and I couldn't give a crap about anybody taking a verbal (or written) piss on it. I thought it was kinda funny. Although it makes no sense from a marketing perspective as it seems like the US has a fairly large customer base for 2K products... at least as much as in other "Western" "nations"

 

[onedreamer]

The most important concern should have been on the fact that we don't give a damn of what most americans know or know not about the Ottoman Turks. Even in describing Ottomans they are actually describing Americans? THIS was the real problem

 

[Yared]

"Even in describing Ottomans they are actually describing Americans? THIS was the real problem"

Indeed. Same goes for the Iroquois factoid.

 

[StStutter]

I care because its incredibly unproffessional to whine on your paid assignment. He has an easy job designing webpages yet he cant do it properly. It looks nice, the animation of George Washington is more realistic then in civ4 but when you read the text its childish and immature whining coupled with utter stupidity instead of interesting historical facts.

The whole site is advertisement for Civilization 5. Who hired that person to create an attractive image of their new game? Who paid that person money to write something so stupid and offensive? He couldve just kept his opinions to himself and done his job like any normal person would.

It's not whining. Not even close. It's a backhanded joke. Not the end of the world.

And so you're upset that a firaxis employee was unprofessional? Really? I once heard of this guy who came into my office dressed casually NOT on casual fridays. My hands are trembling from anger just thinking about it.