Watcha Writin'?

In ~ 36 hours, I'll finish "What Lies at the End of the Universe. " Just in time too. :whew: The deadline to submit it ti The Writers of the Future Contest is Dec. 31st.

I've invented a new term: writer's acrophobia. It happens when a writer is faced with a gigantic spread of blank paper with no idea how to fill it. The writer becomes unable to write anything.

This is what happened to me here...until I realized this story is not a sprawling novel but just a cozy short story. Once that fact sunk in, things puttered along nicely.

It's only going to be five very short chapters--about 6500 words total. :smug:
 
I checked the contest out and it's by L. Ron Hubbard... Not sure what to feel about that.
 
It gave me the heebie jeebies too. I even went to one of their award ceremonies in the Scientology building. However, except for the Stepford teens directing traffic, there was just no sign of Scientology. [Oh, I think there was a book and poster around--but no pressure.]

I'm done with my first draft of "What Lies..." >>> 5,800 words. :whew:
 
Good luck!

What do you do when it comes to editing/proofreading? I try to be thorough, but it's kinda hard to catch everything when I'm not sure if I'm reading what's in my head or what's actually there, being so familiar with it.
 
it's kinda hard to catch everything when I'm not sure if I'm reading what's in my head or what's actually there, being so familiar with it.

I have that same problem...big time. I have someone else give me feedback, but on this occasion, there was no time. I'm instead resorting to prayer.
 
My original plan had been to submit "Come Hither, Springtime" this quarter, but this story revolves on a bittersweet ending and I couldn't write one.:badcomp:

Invoking emotions has always been a weakness. :dunno: I've spent the morning reworking the ending, and it's getting better. :please: I'll let it stew for awhile and take a fresh look later.
 
After thinking about it a little, I decided to submit my story "The Sixth Commandment". It might lean too much towards realism stylistically, but it's the best I got for now.

One thing that bothers me now that I remember it is the site said that online submissions will come with an approximate word count. But I don't recall the form asking me for it? Not sure if I missed something.
 
Not sure if I missed something.

We're in the same boat. :scared:

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Later: I've written to the contest, pointing out the lack of a box. My "read" is that they're trying right now to maximize the number of entrees. They're not going to disqualify people on a technicality .==================================================
Still later:

Dear Mike,

That was so nice to encourage him. Tell him no need to worry. We can tell in the computer by the number of pages if a person has gone over the limit.

We don't have a box for that info actually.

So do tell him he is all set.

Best,
Joni Labaqui
Author Services, Inc.
323-466-3310
 
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We're in the same boat. :scared:

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Later: I've written to the contest, pointing out the lack of a box. My "read" is that they're trying right now to maximize the number of entrees. They're not going to disqualify people on a technicality .==================================================
Still later:

Aha, thanks. You mentioned a friend was worried about it?

I got a perfunctory auto-reply signed off by Joni after submitting. I had no idea this was actually someone in charge of author services. And, nah, there's no way I'm close to the limit with 'just' 6700+ words.
 
What do you do when it comes to editing/proofreading? I try to be thorough, but it's kinda hard to catch everything when I'm not sure if I'm reading what's in my head or what's actually there, being so familiar with it.

I do this professionally so my take will be biased. Take it with a grain of salt.

If you have a particularly keen eye you can do a decent job editing your works by yourself, but it's a rare talent and it's not something you can count on. Even editors need to get their writing edited by another person.

A few reasons for this:
  • When you're familiar with a piece, you develop content and structure blindness. Put differently: your familiarity is a weakness during the editing stage. You can ease this a little by setting the manuscript aside for a long period of time and relying on good old-fashioned memory loss to try and counter it.

  • A different set of eyes will come with a different perspective, and sometimes that's exactly what your story needs to make it go from "good enough for me" to "good enough for everyone else".

  • An editor has a different set of skills and a different approach than you do as a writer. Their job isn't to write, it's to take what you've written and make it better. An editor who makes your content stay the same or sometimes get worse is a bad editor. You should feel as though your piece has gotten better, objectively, even if the feedback from the editor was harsh. (Some editors employ a Feedback Sandwich approach where they package criticism between two compliments because it's common for authors to take offense. That's understandable: writing is emotional and close to the heart.)

  • If you're stuck, seeing what someone else does with it can give you the answer you're looking for.
Many well-to-do authors have a fairly expansive editing process for their books. Those in the self-publishing space frequently don't because it can get expensive. A round of copyediting from an experienced editor can cost in the neighbourhood of $2000 easily. Imagine what this is like if you also get some developmental editing done, multiple rounds, professional beta readers, and then finally a pre-format and post-format proofread. Not to mention the costs of typesetting and design. A book, if you invest, can cost upwards of $5000 to $10,000 dollars without particularly splurging.

Most don't have the option of spending that much so they skimp where they can. That makes sense and it's not something you should feel bad about. A lot of this you can learn how to do a passable job in. I say "passable" intentionally. You'll get it done and the results won't be offensive, but you'll notice it's not to the standard of a professional. In self-publishing this is fine. In traditional publishing, you better hope you have a good contract with a decent publishing house who handles this themselves and doesn't make you foot the bill. Not sure if that's of interest to you, but I'd strongly recommend avoiding any contract that tells you you're on the hook for manuscript and marketing costs.

Since you're working with short pieces right now, you don't need to match the expansive editing process above. With short stories you can get by on your own or just get a fresh pair of eyes to critique and proof it. I do that but I'm not pitching to you here; instead, I'll tell you what the authors I've worked with do and what I recommend others do themselves.

If you've completed the first draft of a piece, let it sit for a couple weeks. Don't look at it. Then, when you go back to it, rewrite it from scratch using the first draft as your outline. Don't edit it piecemeal. Rewrite. You'll change certain sections drastically, organically resolve plot holes, and you'll probably remove and add a few things while you're at it.

Do this until you think you've tightened everything up as best you can. With a short piece, don't bother with developmental editing. You just did that yourself and there isn't much a professional can tell you at this length beyond "Start over, this isn't good." or "It's fine, keep improving it." (IMO.)

When you're satisfied with your own work, you can get a couple beta readers. I recommend paying for them but if you can find free ones who actually do what you ask, cherish them. They are rare. Many authors abuse the idea of a beta reader and ask them to edit the piece or suggest specific changes. This is a breach of protocol from my point of view. What you should get from a beta reader is the following: an outside perspective on the story, comments on impactful or problematic sections of the prose, and feelings about specific concepts (such as an emotional scene, or general characterization). A small form is all you should expect from a free beta reader. Paid beta readers often have their own forms along with the option for you to specify what you specifically want feedback on. If you want beta readers to (ethically) catch errors, you'll need to pay them like an editor.

At this point you'll know either of these things: you've got something good or you've got something that still needs tuning. If the latter, take the time to assess the feedback you received from your beta readers. Do you feel they're right? Why do you disagree with them? If you're still uncertain about the value of their feedback after a week or two, get another beta reader and this time ask about the things you got questionable feedback on. Use them as a measuring stick for the obstacle you're facing.

After you've received their feedback, this is where your journey in the beta reading process should end. Not only are short pieces not worth this level of investment (even up to this point is questionable, but some short pieces carry with them a lot of cachet and dollarydoos) but you can easily get trapped in a loop of circular reasoning where you're constantly doubting and constantly seeking someone to ease that doubt (and then they replace that doubt with a new one). Allow yourself one extra round of beta reading to address previous concerns. After that, either go back to editing the piece or move forward.

We'll assume you moved forward. I do recommend for any piece that you're submitting to a magazine or litfic press that you get it proofread before submission. A proofreader can range in costs from 0.002 a word to over 0.01 a word. It depends on their experience level, the genre, and the level of complexity in the piece. The cost can also be impacted by whether or not you want to give the proofreader the agency to make sentence changes or provide feedback on structure as their role will have expanded to also providing you a "manuscript critique" or "manuscript evaluation".

What's important to keep in mind here is that you can disagree with your editor, especially on style choices, and that any editor worth their salt can talk to you about why they made the changes they did. Sometimes it boils down to personal preference, sometimes it boils down to their preferred style guide, and sometimes it's about consistency and what they felt fit your "voice" most accurately. A good editor can explain this to you. An editor who can't is worth side-eyeing.

Just in case: there are different kinds of editing. The lines are blurred between them frequently but if you ask for a specific kind of editing, you should temper your expectations.
  • Manuscript evaluation: This is the first step in the editing process. Some editors require this before they do any editing. Most (in my experience) don't. A manuscript evaluation is a read-through of your piece where they highlight things that need changing. This allows the editor to assess what kind of editing it needs and also whether or not they're the right fit for the job. It is also an invaluable tool for the author as they can take the evaluation and make their own changes before handing it off to an editor.

  • Developmental edit: This is the next step. A developmental editor will tackle the big picture. Small pieces rarely need this kind of editing because they're simply too short and limited for it to receive any appreciable ROI. However, to be aware, a developmental editor will tear apart your story (affectionately, of course) and tell you where and how the story fails. They'll recommend character changes, lore changes, story changes, all of it. It's their job to make your story go from an unpolished draft to something that follows standard literary conventions or breaks those conventions in a compelling way.

  • Line edit/Copyedit: I put these two in the same category because many editors instinctively blur the line between them. It's extremely tempting to be a little more involved with the manuscript if you're doing a copyedit and the editor will naturally transition into doing a partial line edit. The difference between them is simple: a line edit involves restructuring your paragraphs, removing sentences, adding new ones, changing phrasing, and beyond. An editor who does a line edit will work directly with your "voice" and they'll try to make it better while still preserving what makes you, you. Meanwhile, a copy edit will focus on the more technical details. They can do line editing, and most often end up doing line editing, but that's not what they're specifically for. A copyeditor will look at grammar, idiom use, scene separation, and more during their round of editing. If you get this done, you need to ask the editor to what extent they go in their editing. I recommend getting an editor who is comfortable doing line editing and includes it in their copyediting. It saves you money and you still get the same work done.

  • Proofreading: You get this done just before you send the piece to a designer/typesetter, and then again afterwards. For short pieces, you get this done right before you submit it to the applicable press/competition. It is not a proofreader's job to format the piece but you can ask them to and they'll get back to you on whether or not they can do it and if it'll cost more. They'll ask for the formatting guidelines of the competition you're entering. A proofreader is limited in what they can change: they cannot (and should not) change any phrasing or positioning unless it is objectively incorrect. Style changes don't apply here unless it is a question of consistency. A proofreader will make your writing stand up to scrutiny from a spelling and grammar perspective but they have no say on content and structure. In other words, they catch what you and the copyeditor didn't catch.
Worth keeping in mind here is that you won't get a 100% error catch rate. 90% is a good metric to shoot for. If the editor finds 90 errors and you find 10 after publishing, they still did an adequate job (depending on the errors that were missed). Shoot for 95%. Anything above that will be a surprise and one you should be grateful for. Perfection is not something that can be reliably offered, even through multiple rounds of editing, and you shouldn't expect that.

This got a bit away from me, but I hope something in this wall of text proves helpful to you.
 
Most of my own work in this regard has been for college/university papers, not fiction. I was merciless on grammar, spelling, and punctuation, and had a situation where a student told me her instructor never gave anyone an A. So I told her, "Let's see if we can get you an A for this."

The student wrote an excellent paper (by that time I'd done a couple of dozen of that kind so I was very familiar with the topic), and I scrutinized every comma, semi-colon, colon, parenthesis, and had a couple of APA manuals and my old Harbrace College Handbook (the most useful textbook I've ever bought) on hand.

The student called me back after receiving her grade. It was an A. The only one in the class, and the instructor was a bit put out at not being able to find an excuse to knock it down to a B. She was happy and so was I.

I didn't change much of the content, other than fixing obvious s/g/p errors (something I did for all my clients; it's one of the reasons I had some people for all 4 years, as they appreciated it and gave me excellent word-of-mouth references). Any mistakes in the content, as in an anthropology student made a serious one that I realized would cost him major marks, I'd phone the student, explain the issue, and ask if they wanted to fix it or let it stand. I would not write original material for them; this was their call. Some opted to fix it and others chose not to. I did decide to fix the paper where the student stated that the French Revolution began in 1993.


Fiction, of course, is harder. It's more subjective, and the author is trying to not only tell a basic story, but influence the reader to have some sort of emotional reaction to the writing. Sometimes even a one-word change can alter the intended nuance.

This is one reason why I always kept hands-off during Iron Pen competitions. I was asked a couple of times if I'd edit something and I said no. The only time I intervened was when a word or phrase might violate forum rules regarding slang or swear words; in those cases I consulted Plotinus to see if he'd let it slide (he never did).
 
Wow, great write up. It makes me realise the author's role is only 50% (if that) of the writing process. I've done all of this myself so far, except for asking someone close to me to help with line editing and proofreading piecemeal. Now I think that it's going to be a tall order writing anything good if I don't invest money in this.

I've also done some editing work in an academic context, somewhat informally and for a nominal fee. I'm not keen on doing that again if I can help it - I certainly felt like a co-author of the thesis by the end.

I do this professionally so my take will be biased. Take it with a grain of salt.

If you have a particularly keen eye you can do a decent job editing your works by yourself, but it's a rare talent and it's not something you can count on. Even editors need to get their writing edited by another person.

A few reasons for this:
  • When you're familiar with a piece, you develop content and structure blindness. Put differently: your familiarity is a weakness during the editing stage. You can ease this a little by setting the manuscript aside for a long period of time and relying on good old-fashioned memory loss to try and counter it.

  • A different set of eyes will come with a different perspective, and sometimes that's exactly what your story needs to make it go from "good enough for me" to "good enough for everyone else".

  • An editor has a different set of skills and a different approach than you do as a writer. Their job isn't to write, it's to take what you've written and make it better. An editor who makes your content stay the same or sometimes get worse is a bad editor. You should feel as though your piece has gotten better, objectively, even if the feedback from the editor was harsh. (Some editors employ a Feedback Sandwich approach where they package criticism between two compliments because it's common for authors to take offense. That's understandable: writing is emotional and close to the heart.)

  • If you're stuck, seeing what someone else does with it can give you the answer you're looking for.
Many well-to-do authors have a fairly expansive editing process for their books. Those in the self-publishing space frequently don't because it can get expensive. A round of copyediting from an experienced editor can cost in the neighbourhood of $2000 easily. Imagine what this is like if you also get some developmental editing done, multiple rounds, professional beta readers, and then finally a pre-format and post-format proofread. Not to mention the costs of typesetting and design. A book, if you invest, can cost upwards of $5000 to $10,000 dollars without particularly splurging.

Most don't have the option of spending that much so they skimp where they can. That makes sense and it's not something you should feel bad about. A lot of this you can learn how to do a passable job in. I say "passable" intentionally. You'll get it done and the results won't be offensive, but you'll notice it's not to the standard of a professional. In self-publishing this is fine. In traditional publishing, you better hope you have a good contract with a decent publishing house who handles this themselves and doesn't make you foot the bill. Not sure if that's of interest to you, but I'd strongly recommend avoiding any contract that tells you you're on the hook for manuscript and marketing costs.

Since you're working with short pieces right now, you don't need to match the expansive editing process above. With short stories you can get by on your own or just get a fresh pair of eyes to critique and proof it. I do that but I'm not pitching to you here; instead, I'll tell you what the authors I've worked with do and what I recommend others do themselves.

If you've completed the first draft of a piece, let it sit for a couple weeks. Don't look at it. Then, when you go back to it, rewrite it from scratch using the first draft as your outline. Don't edit it piecemeal. Rewrite. You'll change certain sections drastically, organically resolve plot holes, and you'll probably remove and add a few things while you're at it.

Do this until you think you've tightened everything up as best you can. With a short piece, don't bother with developmental editing. You just did that yourself and there isn't much a professional can tell you at this length beyond "Start over, this isn't good." or "It's fine, keep improving it." (IMO.)

When you're satisfied with your own work, you can get a couple beta readers. I recommend paying for them but if you can find free ones who actually do what you ask, cherish them. They are rare. Many authors abuse the idea of a beta reader and ask them to edit the piece or suggest specific changes. This is a breach of protocol from my point of view. What you should get from a beta reader is the following: an outside perspective on the story, comments on impactful or problematic sections of the prose, and feelings about specific concepts (such as an emotional scene, or general characterization). A small form is all you should expect from a free beta reader. Paid beta readers often have their own forms along with the option for you to specify what you specifically want feedback on. If you want beta readers to (ethically) catch errors, you'll need to pay them like an editor.

At this point you'll know either of these things: you've got something good or you've got something that still needs tuning. If the latter, take the time to assess the feedback you received from your beta readers. Do you feel they're right? Why do you disagree with them? If you're still uncertain about the value of their feedback after a week or two, get another beta reader and this time ask about the things you got questionable feedback on. Use them as a measuring stick for the obstacle you're facing.

After you've received their feedback, this is where your journey in the beta reading process should end. Not only are short pieces not worth this level of investment (even up to this point is questionable, but some short pieces carry with them a lot of cachet and dollarydoos) but you can easily get trapped in a loop of circular reasoning where you're constantly doubting and constantly seeking someone to ease that doubt (and then they replace that doubt with a new one). Allow yourself one extra round of beta reading to address previous concerns. After that, either go back to editing the piece or move forward.

We'll assume you moved forward. I do recommend for any piece that you're submitting to a magazine or litfic press that you get it proofread before submission. A proofreader can range in costs from 0.002 a word to over 0.01 a word. It depends on their experience level, the genre, and the level of complexity in the piece. The cost can also be impacted by whether or not you want to give the proofreader the agency to make sentence changes or provide feedback on structure as their role will have expanded to also providing you a "manuscript critique" or "manuscript evaluation".

What's important to keep in mind here is that you can disagree with your editor, especially on style choices, and that any editor worth their salt can talk to you about why they made the changes they did. Sometimes it boils down to personal preference, sometimes it boils down to their preferred style guide, and sometimes it's about consistency and what they felt fit your "voice" most accurately. A good editor can explain this to you. An editor who can't is worth side-eyeing.

Just in case: there are different kinds of editing. The lines are blurred between them frequently but if you ask for a specific kind of editing, you should temper your expectations.
  • Manuscript evaluation: This is the first step in the editing process. Some editors require this before they do any editing. Most (in my experience) don't. A manuscript evaluation is a read-through of your piece where they highlight things that need changing. This allows the editor to assess what kind of editing it needs and also whether or not they're the right fit for the job. It is also an invaluable tool for the author as they can take the evaluation and make their own changes before handing it off to an editor.

  • Developmental edit: This is the next step. A developmental editor will tackle the big picture. Small pieces rarely need this kind of editing because they're simply too short and limited for it to receive any appreciable ROI. However, to be aware, a developmental editor will tear apart your story (affectionately, of course) and tell you where and how the story fails. They'll recommend character changes, lore changes, story changes, all of it. It's their job to make your story go from an unpolished draft to something that follows standard literary conventions or breaks those conventions in a compelling way.

  • Line edit/Copyedit: I put these two in the same category because many editors instinctively blur the line between them. It's extremely tempting to be a little more involved with the manuscript if you're doing a copyedit and the editor will naturally transition into doing a partial line edit. The difference between them is simple: a line edit involves restructuring your paragraphs, removing sentences, adding new ones, changing phrasing, and beyond. An editor who does a line edit will work directly with your "voice" and they'll try to make it better while still preserving what makes you, you. Meanwhile, a copy edit will focus on the more technical details. They can do line editing, and most often end up doing line editing, but that's not what they're specifically for. A copyeditor will look at grammar, idiom use, scene separation, and more during their round of editing. If you get this done, you need to ask the editor to what extent they go in their editing. I recommend getting an editor who is comfortable doing line editing and includes it in their copyediting. It saves you money and you still get the same work done.

  • Proofreading: You get this done just before you send the piece to a designer/typesetter, and then again afterwards. For short pieces, you get this done right before you submit it to the applicable press/competition. It is not a proofreader's job to format the piece but you can ask them to and they'll get back to you on whether or not they can do it and if it'll cost more. They'll ask for the formatting guidelines of the competition you're entering. A proofreader is limited in what they can change: they cannot (and should not) change any phrasing or positioning unless it is objectively incorrect. Style changes don't apply here unless it is a question of consistency. A proofreader will make your writing stand up to scrutiny from a spelling and grammar perspective but they have no say on content and structure. In other words, they catch what you and the copyeditor didn't catch.
Worth keeping in mind here is that you won't get a 100% error catch rate. 90% is a good metric to shoot for. If the editor finds 90 errors and you find 10 after publishing, they still did an adequate job (depending on the errors that were missed). Shoot for 95%. Anything above that will be a surprise and one you should be grateful for. Perfection is not something that can be reliably offered, even through multiple rounds of editing, and you shouldn't expect that.

This got a bit away from me, but I hope something in this wall of text proves helpful to you.
 
I wouldn't say it's 50% or less. An editor can't make something out of nothing. They make something that already exists better. A terrible writer who hires a great editor is still putting out a product that isn't good.

If you're self-publishing, you can make a lot of decisions that cut on costs and reduce the investment. Whether or not that ends up working out for you is another question, but it's not impossible. I'm certain there's a population of self-published authors who do it all themselves and find success. The only thing is that they're the exception and not the rule. If you can be the exception, great. Most can't be or aren't willing to invest the time to be.
 
My editor is vacationing out of town. Nevertheless, I've sent off "Come Hither, Springtime" to her so she can look at it when she gets back. :cool: I've been working, working, working on it, but I can't get the ending right. :badcomp: Financially, it makes little sense to have an editor evaluate a short story. Her fees almost always outweigh any increase in income. But this isn't about money. This is about the potential to create a really great story. :trophy2:

After weeks writing nothing on my Viking Christmas story Yule, I finally eked out the first 600 words. :whew: Now I've noticed a similarity between my story and "How the Grinch Stole Christmas," except my sorceress/wise-woman doesn't hate Christmas, she just finds it pointless and annoying. I need to figure out the ending, so I know where I'm going. :hmm:

I remain on the verge of finishing my Count of Monte Banco parody :whipped:

Once I get that done, I'll return to Comes Erebus, my near-future, hard-science-fiction action/adventure. :ar15: This might be my March entry ot the Writers of the Future contest.
 
I remain on the verge of finishing my Count of Monte Banco parody :whipped:.

[pissed] I was planning on publishing this on either Kindle or Tor, both of whom accept shorter than usual novels.. But now, these are both closed off to me. I am limited to more traditional publishers.
Currently. I'm at 50,000 words. Most publishers are looking for 80,000 words, minimum. :(

Actually, I think this story would work better in a longer format. My question is how to get there? :confused:

Spoiler Here's my current structure :

Monte Banco structure
pages/chapter: 7.25
words/page = ~600

[The first column is the number of single spaced pages in taht chapter.
The next three digets are the first pape of that chapter]

6 001 Chapter 1: Vulgus
6 007 Chapter 2: Melinda Sugartown
8 013 Chapter 3: Plutus Craft
8 021 Chapter 4: Alfonzo Rapaitius Wolfe, Esq.
----------------------------------------------------------
9 029 Chapter 5: O.K. Ogre
8 038 Chapter 6: Ebeneezer Jack
7 046 Chapter 7: Abbé Nôrmal
7 053 Chapter 8: Ayn Atlas
----------------------------------------------------
7 060 Chapter 9: Mad King Prometheus
6 067 Chapter 10: Baron Icarus Down
8 073 Chapter 11: Umntwana
6 081 Chapter 12: Fiat Lux
--------------------------------------------------------
7 087 Chapter 13: Baroness Ariel Rook
3 094 Chapter 14: Jon Gelt
3 096 Chapter 15: Zadkiel

First idea for a fix:
Let's say 3000 words per chapter.
If I add 2 chapters per section = 8 chaps.
Correcting the short 4th section + 2 chaps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>10 chap. X 3,000 words/chap. = 30,000 words

This would do it.
 
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[pissed] I was planning on publishing this on either Kindle or Tor, both of whom accept shorter than usual novels.. But now, these are both closed off to me. I am limited to more traditional publishers.
Currently. I'm at 50,000 words. Most publishers are looking for 80,000 words, minimum. :(

Actually, I think this story would work better in a longer format. My question is how to get there? :confused:

Spoiler Here's my current structure :

Monte Banco structure
pages/chapter: 7.25
words/page = ~600

[The first column is the number of single spaced pages in taht chapter.
The next three digets are the first pape of that chapter]

6 001 Chapter 1: Vulgus
6 007 Chapter 2: Melinda Sugartown
8 013 Chapter 3: Plutus Craft
8 021 Chapter 4: Alfonzo Rapaitius Wolfe, Esq.
----------------------------------------------------------
9 029 Chapter 5: O.K. Ogre
8 038 Chapter 6: Ebeneezer Jack
7 046 Chapter 7: Abbé Nôrmal
7 053 Chapter 8: Ayn Atlas
----------------------------------------------------
7 060 Chapter 9: Mad King Prometheus
6 067 Chapter 10: Baron Icarus Down
8 073 Chapter 11: Umntwana
6 081 Chapter 12: Fiat Lux
--------------------------------------------------------
7 087 Chapter 13: Baroness Ariel Rook
3 094 Chapter 14: Jon Gelt
3 096 Chapter 15: Zadkiel

First idea for a fix:
Let's say 3000 words per chapter.
If I add 2 chapters per section = 8 chaps.
Correcting the short 4th section + 2 chaps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>10 chap. X 3,000 words/chap. = 30,000 words

This would do it.
Have you considered submitting it for an anthology or magazine?
 
My Count of Monte Banco parody is divided into four equal parts. At the end of the first part, my main character is sent to prison for a crime he did not commit. At the end of the second part, he escapes. During the third part, he uses the wealth he finds to build up his prestige and influence. In the fourth part, he gains his revenge.

It took some planning, but to increase my first section from four to six chapters, I'm looking at two of my supporting characters. Originally, they each had a few paragraphs of backstory. Now I will give each of them their own chapter. To make those two chapters interesting, I will use humor :lol: -- after all, this is a parody, and it should be funny.

Much of my female lead's backstory takes place at a university. Yesterday, I watched the Marx Bros' Horsefeathers to see if I could steal some ideas from their collegiate movie.. No such luck :( although I did like their energy. Now I'm going to focus on character arc: From the time she leave home until she meets my main character, she leads a pretty miserable existence. :sad: Misery can be funny. :mwaha:
 
Have you considered submitting it for an anthology or magazine?
Thanks for the suggestion :hatsoff:but The Count of Monte Banco is already four times longer than the longest submission accepted by any of them. :cringe:

In writing this parody, I've already woven in many characteristics of epics:

Spoiler Characteristics of Epics :

An attempt to delineate ten main characteristics of an epic:

Begins in medias res.[the middle of events]
The setting is vast, covering many nations, the world or the universe.
Begins with an invocation to a muse (epic invocation).
Begins with a statement of the theme
.
Includes the use of epithets.
Contains long lists, called an epic catalogue.
Features long and formal speeches.
Shows divine intervention in human affairs.
Features heroes that embody the values of the civilization.

Often features the tragic hero's descent into the Underworld or hell.

Bold indicates that I have included this


One thing not on that list is epic length. My story needs to be longer, not shorter.
 
Thanks for the suggestion :hatsoff:but The Count of Monte Banco is already four times longer than the longest submission accepted by any of them. :cringe:

In writing this parody, I've already woven in many characteristics of epics:

Spoiler Characteristics of Epics :

An attempt to delineate ten main characteristics of an epic:

Begins in medias res.[the middle of events]
The setting is vast, covering many nations, the world or the universe.
Begins with an invocation to a muse (epic invocation).
Begins with a statement of the theme
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Includes the use of epithets.
Contains long lists, called an epic catalogue.
Features long and formal speeches.
Shows divine intervention in human affairs.
Features heroes that embody the values of the civilization.

Often features the tragic hero's descent into the Underworld or hell.

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One thing not on that list is epic length. My story needs to be longer, not shorter.
You do recall that some of the greatest SF novels of all time were serialized in successive issues, right?
 
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