Way to go, Firaxis! 18 great civs!!!

[King Alexander]

@mitsho: firstly, do I really need to answer?
Secondly, I simply informed about historical facts/evidence and not myths. I could do the same at a different topic.

No hard feelings
KA

 

[Xen]

as an interesting note, the olny reason Napolenon became emperor from france was because his father had fallen out with e prominat Corsican nationalist; the particuler nationalist shunned Napoleon, whos first love was indeed corisca, and he truned his attention to France, where with the aide of a promiant Corsican man whom had made it politcally in france, he was put on his track to becoem the french emperor.

 

[Avayaman]

what are talking about??

 

[Warman17]

'Simply' - He was still Corsican.

Something you cannot deny.

PS
And I can read my own language, English - No need to type in BIG, BOLD CAPS!

*sheesh*

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Technically then Washington, Adams, Jefferson etc are English and not Americans. therefore Washington should not be allowed to be an Amercian leader. This is ridiculous. You don't nreed to be the ethnicity to become a great leader of that country.

 

[CrazyMrLeo]

History is littered with foreigners that took gained control of a country and let it to greatness. As far as I'm concerned, It doesn't matter where they were from, as long as they were in charge.

 

[Avayaman]

i guess as for nationality, it's not what you were born into, it's what you decided to become.

 

[Knight-Dragon]

The Ottoman Empire was the #1 Civ that I used...

*disgruntled*

I'm sure they'll be back. In the expansion pack...

 

[mitsho]

But you know that there is not truth in history, King_Alexander (that name and that topic just leads to - well - some questions?). At least, that's my opinion...

But let's put this aside (although I really would like to see you put as much fervour into the discussion on something else... )

A good rest of the day, m

 

[Kyriakos]

Well, look at it this way mitsho, a person can be facing some problem in his life, then think about his country's history, find parallelisms, and then move on to convince himself that what is really wrong with what he feels is the country's history. It is a lot easier to feel that you are sad because an empire was lost than to feel that you are sad because you have been treated badly by your contemporaries, besides it is easier to think of a general group of "others" than those same particalar contemporaries who you hate. So you see for example a german nazi youth wanting to kill an immigrant, when in reality he is trying to manifest his own superiority over other figures of his past, his father, old classmates etc etc etc, but it is so much easier for him to do so if he identifies himself with germany and not his own self.
just a general example, ofcourse, of why sometimes history can become very important for psychological reasons

 

[King Alexander]

@mitsho: it's your opinion, and is respected. I know that History can differ when written by different sides, that's why the first things a good historian seeks are proofs/evidence and only then hears the same story from different sides.

I won't say anything more.
btw: I already have put much more fervour in other topics that I visit, why's this a suprise?

@varwnos: nice story.

Regards
KA

 

[Kyriakos]

@varwnos: nice story.

nice reply

 

[Vietcong]

for all those ppl wanting mesopotamia in, thay whear NOT a civilzation!!!
babylon, summer, assyeria ect are civilzation!

 

[Hannabir]

INDIA!!!!!!! Oh, cm'on man! Indias been like a fifth of the world population for its entire history, it created two major world religions, has been (and will again be?) an economic superpower, and not to mention their mathamaticians were the ones who invented "0" so we COULDN'T EVEN HAVE COMPUTERS to play civ on without the Indians! Man, this would be like leaving out Europe altogether from the game man, please....

Not to take anything away from the importance of India, but the zero was invented independently in Babylon and by the Maya.

 

[Dolemitetornado]

Not to take anything away from the importance of India, but the zero was invented independently in Babylon and by the Maya.

Oh. Okay, well you got me there, I guess there goes the professional historian career. I was just whipped up into an incredulous frenzy about suggesting India be left out, I mean...it's India for gods sake. You could probably make a good arguement that they've been the most important civ in history...

 

[Mad Hab]

The fact is CIV will never simulate History as it really was, so there always will be lots of simplifications. This post was just to celebrate that, this time, they decide to use History books - not Hollywood - as a starting point to pick the civilizations included in the game. Ditto for the leaders.

I love the idea of facing fierce Zulu or Iroquoi warriors. Cleopatra and Jeanne D'Arc are personalities that are familiar to me. But from the point of view of someone who enjoys History, they simply cannot be favored in detriment of the Arabs, the Turks, of Ramesses or Napoléon.

And Firaxis seems to have realised that...

Mad Hab

PS: Alexander was a great leader. Saladin was a great leader. Peter, Mao and Lenin were great as well. They all deserve to be in the game.

Hitler and Stalin were lousy leaders, but their deeds deeply changed the world and it would be fun to face them as foes. Even then, I think Bismarck is a much better character to lead the germans...

 

[belgy42]

Napoleon named himself not only Emperor of France, but Emperor over the Roman Empire. This was one of the last mentions of the existance of a Holy Roman Empire. There technically was not one, but he claimed it anyways!