We have our new Head of Product

[Gorbles]

This is the best place for civ discussion online, bar none. Our community is small enough that you can read all the posts each day in an hour. If they don't have someone reading CFC I would be surprised.

I'd also be surprised.

But I also don't have a bad experience with Discord (which, admittedly, I'm only really active in the modding channels for when it comes to Civ). I tend to mute all channels that are going to be too distracting; it's more a volume thing than a quality thing for me personally.

It tends to all come down to the moderation. Though I do agree with Oberinspektor Derrick in that the different formats; the different ways communities function can affect people differently. There was a time when forums weren't good for me personally. At another time, IRC wasn't good for me.

 

[aieeegrunt]

I think that is a small price to pay compared to the toxic cesspool that is sites such as reddit and discord.
One of the reasons why I vastly prefer traditional forums rather than those platforms.

Reddit has the most revoltingly one sided petty biased power tripping moderators I have every seen

And I’m a veteran of the old Star Wars vs Star Trek flame wars.

I fine Discord so clunky to use

This is the best place for civ discussion online, bar none. Our community is small enough that you can read all the posts each day in an hour. If they don't have someone reading CFC I would be surprised.

This is by far the best place, no question

 

[Gori the Grey]

This is the best place for civ discussion online, bar none.

And if you go to OT, the best place for online discussion on any topic.

Well, anyway, I've made this my only social medium. Based pretty much solely on what I hear (here) about every other place.

 

[MutilationWave]

And if you go to OT, the best place for online discussion on any topic.

Well, anyway, I've made this my only social medium. Based pretty much solely on what I hear (here) about every other place.

Lemmy can be pretty good but you have to curate your feed if you don't want to talk about politics.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Thanks for letting me know about it. I explored a little. It would take some getting used to. (Again, I only know this format.) I don't mind politics. Until I recently chose to go on a four-year cruise (in my mind), I was very active in OT's political threads.

 

[Kenshiro70]

I think all game designers should lurk anonymously on the forums for their games. Embody the old story about the monarch who disguises himself as a peasant to see his kingdom from a different perspective.

For product people it's a must

Yup. "Punching bag" is part of the PM job description.

 

[tman2000]

Matt has interesting experience, but I'm not sure it fits well with the original job description. Product work like creating roadmaps and internal communications are partially covered by his roles of UI Director and startup co-founder, but not only partially. And the original request for things like marketing, game design, market research or community tracking don't seem to be covered in his CV at all.

Still, very experienced professional, I'm sure he will do gis part of the job.

Maybe a soft palace coup?

 

[Haig]

And if you go to OT, the best place for online discussion on any topic.

Well, anyway, I've made this my only social medium. Based pretty much solely on what I hear (here) about every other place.

Cool, gotta check out the OT forum.

 

[Niallism]

And his third most is civ 7, so yeah...

Well you have to play a game to understand it, whatever you think of it.

 

[Kenshiro70]

Maybe a soft palace coup?

I think you're onto something, though I wouldn't call it a coup. I think everyone at Firaxis is extremely unhappy that they were forced to release the game early (there's evidence, such as Gwen Christie's voice lines being delivered after release, that the release date was moved forward). You'll notice how they haven't fallen on their sword, likely because they were forced to release the game early and refused to take the blame it not being ready due to an accelerated timeline. Walking that tightrope has got be be exhausting; I wouldn't be surprised if this is more of a graceful transition of power in a way that allows people to bow out and avoids people losing face.

 

[Civinator]

because they were forced to release the game early and refused to take the blame it not being ready due to an accelerated timeline.

Is it clear, that the time line was accelerated to Firaxis, or can it also be, that Firaxis was in default in its contractual time line ?

 

[aieeegrunt]

Is it clear, that the time line was accelerated to Firaxis, or can it also be, that Firaxis was in default in its contractual time line ?

Hard to say, I mean we have examples of devs 100% screwing around not doing their jobs in this industry

Daddy Microsoft had to step in numerous times during several of the Halo games to save Bungie AND 343 from their utter failure to do even basic project management properly; Halo 2 and Halo Infinite being the two most well known examples.

Anyone who has had to project manage nerds knows this pain.

 

[Gorbles]

Just as any nerd knows bad project managers exist too

But I don't really see how such truisms automatically apply except in the vaguest terms, in that people in any job have a chance of being bad at it.

 

[Chiyo]

Is this a new position or this the tile Ed Beach has had so far? Head of Product sounds like he is now in full control of the game which is a change that worked well for Civ5.

 

[Gori the Grey]

No. New position. Beach is Creative Director.

 

[Nikolai II]

Is this a new position or this the tile Ed Beach has had so far? Head of Product sounds like he is now in full control of the game which is a change that worked well for Civ5.

No, new position. Ed is boss of making the game, so to speak. This guy's job is to earn ALL the money.

 

[stealth_nsk]

No, new position. Ed is boss of making the game, so to speak. This guy's job is to earn ALL the money.

Yes, that's normal product manager job. You have no power, but full responsibility.

 

[Gorbles]

Yes, that's normal product manager job. You have no power, but full responsibility.

I literally take my product roadmap from our product team. Product and development are separate corporate tracks where I work (and I'd imagine in a bunch of places).

I'd say product managers absolutely have power. In an ideal world, development also has input too (but not the decision over what makes the cut vs. what doesn't - that belongs to product).

 

[Civinator]

I'd say product managers absolutely have power. In an ideal world, development also has input too (but not the decision over what makes the cut vs. what doesn't - that belongs to product).

Now the question arises: Is Firaxis an ideal world ?

 

[stealth_nsk]

I literally take my product roadmap from our product team. Product and development are separate corporate tracks where I work (and I'd imagine in a bunch of places).

I'd say product managers absolutely have power. In an ideal world, development also has input too (but not the decision over what makes the cut vs. what doesn't - that belongs to product).

It was partially a joke (I'm TPM and worked as pure product before). The classical product manager is a person without subordinates who coordinates multiple departments to ensure the product success. But of course, in reality there are a lot of decisions made by products, depending on the processes.