WH Discussion Thread

[aaglo]

@TLC!
My diminutiveness restricts only to my physical size (180cm, 88kg) - not my mental powers (and if you consider my physique anything but diminutive, then you'll catch my drift ).

@LMR!
No, there will be no more previews of the grey seer.

 

[The Last Conformist]

Okay, you're not dimunitive, just small.

Dare I ask how big the mod is gonna be once all this stuff is added?

 

[Stormrage]

goblin miner (?!?!)

Yeah, WTH?!?

The units looks sweet guys!

 

[LMR]

I reckon its gonna be huge

I'm even shorter than aaglo: 170 cm and 65 kg

 

[aaglo]

Well...
the original download by ED is ~267 mb
update to 2.03 is ~ 3 mb
update to 2.11 is ~ 100 mb
update to 2.20 is ~ 30 mb (includes all the patches after 2.11)
update to the next version will be about 40-50 mb

total of ~450 mb maybe?

 

[Stormrage]

Yup, 450 is my calc too

You are all puny `umans, I`m 340 cm, 500 kg

 

[fe3333au]

Damn this is exciting ... what a wonderous thing this will be to escape from RL

 

[mrtn]

I've added most of the Beastman units now.

Changes WH 2.21

Added Beastmen units (all have +1 HP unless noted otherwise,
they also ignore forest movement cost, so they get faster forest armies):
+Bray 3/2/1
+Beastman Settler 0/0/1
+Beastman Worker 0/1/1
+Truegor 6/6/1
+HoC Caprigor 6/6/1
+HoC Ungor, upgrade to Caprigor
-Renamed "Beastman" Gor and made it 6/4/1 iron, Smithing.
-Changed Ungor to BoC, upgrade to Truegor
-Changed Tuskgor Chariot to BoC
-Changed Bestigor to BoC and 8/5/1, Steel. Starts GA.
-Changed Centigor to 8/4/3, Chivalry, BoC only.
+Dragon Ogre
+Shaggoth
+Centaur 5(2)/2/2, Ballistics, 35 shields, upgrade to Centigors.
+Bray-Shaman 3(3)/3/1
+Great Bray-Shaman 4(6)/4/1

Added Skaven units:
none yet

Other changes:
-Removed the Badlands resource.
+Added Oasis resource for desert.
-Changed all workers that have defense from 2 to 1, except the dwarf.
-Leadbelcher cost to 130 from 120
-Lava elemental cost to 120 from 130
-Minotaur cost to 85 from 75, and made available to BoC too.
-Chaos knight +1 attack, -1 defence to 9/5/2
-War mammoth cost to 100 from 90
-Lesser daemon cost to 80 from 60
-Bone giant cost 140 from 120, +3 defence
-War elephant cost to 90 from 80
-Stegadon cost to 120 from 110
-Vampire lord cost to 190 from 150
-Blood dragon cost to 200 from 160
-Jotun cost to 150 from 140
-Great taurus cost to 250 from 260, changed BR to 1 too
-Squiggoth cost to 170 from 160
-Chaos Warlock AI to defense
-Great Warlock AI to defense
+Added new units32 for Knight of the Realm

I haven't added any stats to the Dragon Ogre and Shaggoth yet, IIRC aaglo had some ideas here, but I don't remember what those were. I'd also like to discuss Treemen with him, he wanted to change them, but that need more work I think.

Also, what normal Chaos units should BoC get? I'm thinking of war machines and ships here. I've already given Marauder Horsemen, Minotaurs, Chaos Trolls, Chaos Cultists, Flesh Hounds and Lesser Daemons to both civs.
I think I should give war machines and ships from the first two eras to both. Also all spells and the Spy.
War Mammoth? Probably not.
Iron Shark? Probably, for game play reasons.
No cannons or greater daemons, and No Hellship.

Does this sound ok?

 

[DJ Bonebraker]

MRTN, are you going to use that Beastman settler I'm working on, when it gets done?

I'm asking because I'm very close to finishing my current unit, and MAY have the settler done by Friday, if all goes according to plan...

Other changes look good.

 

[The Last Conformist]

The Shaggoth ought be wonder-spawned, so-that people won't field armies of the things.

 

[Stormrage]

Everything sounds good for now, we`ll see when we test it

@TLC-but people can field armies of dragons? Give all those Xtreme units a cost of 500 shields or something!

 

[mrtn]

MRTN, are you going to use that Beastman settler I'm working on, when it gets done?

I'm asking because I'm very close to finishing my current unit, and MAY have the settler done by Friday, if all goes according to plan...

Other changes look good.

Yes I'll use it, unless you add a pink umbrella.
I had already added a brown orc settler, but I'll just replace that with your work when it's done.

Updated Skaven city list:

Skavenblight	
Hell Pit	
Crookback Mountain	
Fester Spike	
Putrid Stump	
City of Pillars	
Cripple Peak	[I]armybook map[/I]
Mount Silverspear	
The Black Chasm	
Gnashrak's Lair	[I]armybook map[/I]
Mount Grey Hag	
Foul Peak	
Ratrock	[I]outside Marienburg[/I]
Kavzar	[I]original skaven city[/I]
Blighted Marsh	
Liskit	[I]Clan[/I]
Mors	[I]Clan[/I]
Festus	[I]Clan[/I]
Mordheim	
Karak Varn	
Karak Ungor	
Karak Azgul	
Karak Drazh	
Tobaro	
Ekrund

That's 25 names, about as many as on the Beastman list, though these are better.

BTW, the WHFB Shaggoth has a special rule called Storm Rage.

 

[The Last Conformist]

You could add the Zombie Swamps and Mousillon.

Clan Pestilence also infests various abandoned Lizardmen cities in Lustria.

 

[Stormrage]

Thats it! Lustria! Thats great TLC!

@mrtn - Heh, seems they like me too

Mrtn - you made Blood Dragons cheaper? But you left the stats intact? Isn`t he going to be a bit strong?

I just had a sweet game with the dwarves, can`t wait to throw some slayers at a shaggoth!

 

[DJ Bonebraker]

No, he actually INCREASED their cost by 4 shields.

Glad to hear you like my Beasty settler, MRTN.

 

[Stormrage]

my bad, my bad, 40 shields up it is..

@Hikaro - have you seen 16-bit theatre? If you haven`t, feel free to skip it.. its so stupid...

 

[mrtn]

TLC, added, thanks, you wouldn't know any names of those Lizardmen cities?

The Blood Dragon increase 40 shields in cost. Most of those cost changes are from a list aaglo made, btw.

Edit: Stormrage is a crossposting bugger.

 

[Stormrage]

WTH, check my post time, and your post time...

 

[mrtn]

Maybe it took me more than a minute to write my post.

 

[Stormrage]

Well with more than 6500 posts you should type faster!