WH Discussion Thread

[aaglo]

I thought about making that skaven jezzail. But I think that I would make it only a single-skaven unit (without that shield guy there), since those are royal pains in the butt (those two-man units, not shieldguys)

 

[LMR]

That's fine.

i'm sure that everyone will be greatly appreciative of whatever you come up with

 

[Stormrage]

I agree with the movement idea too!

How bout having flesh-hounds 2nd def for Hordes and Beasts.

No bestigors at all for Hordes and bestigors for infantry for Beasts.

Minotaurs moved higher, in the chaos incursion tech like with the Hordes.

@aaglo, any of your new units will be most welcomed

 

[LMR]

I don't think that flesh hounds should be a defensive unit. defensive units, IMO, should be organised, such as regiments of spearmen or pikemen.

how about this?:

Ungor - 1st defensive
Gor - 1st offensive
Centigor - 2nd defensive
Bestigor - 2nd offensive

warhound becomes 1st cavalry
tuskgor chariot - 2nd cavalry

 

[Stormrage]

Um, my info on the centigors says that they are drunk most of the time... not so much organised...

And who guards your backyard, your dog or you with a spear?

 

[LMR]

my dog's a sook, so at night i sit out the front in a rocking chair with a shotgun. shotguns work better than spears

the info i have doesn't detail their drinking habits. another option is making the bestigor the 1st offensive and the gor the 2nd defensive.

i would leave the bestigor as a defensive unit. or, if aaglo was willing, do what we did with the stormvermin and make an infantry version of the bestigor. or a defensive version of the bestigor, i forget which one

 

[Stormrage]

So you suggest:
A)
Defense: Ungor - Gor
Offense: Bestigor - Minotaur

B)
Defense: Ungor - Bestigor Def
Offense: Gor - Bestigor Off

Well, the current bestigor with a big axe looks very offensive So yeah, a pike or a bardiche vershion of the bestigor would be nice. Or even a better equipped Ungor?

But, what would Chaos have as 2nd def then? The Bestigorr Def?

 

[LMR]

I guess

 

[Stormrage]

What we need is to come up with a nice concept of a human 2nd def for Chaos, so we can atleast request it from some people.. My idea was the buffalo soldier, but it seems no one else likes it, so I`d like to hear other ideas

 

[mrtn]

I think that the beastmen should get either +1 HP or +1 MP, not both. And in that case I prefer +1 HP. But, we can always give them ignore forest movement cost anyway, like the treemen, so it affects armies.

Bestigors are the only beastmen units that are organised.
And a "better equipped ungor" is a contradiction in terms.
Centigors are drunken bastards, in Mordheim they're either Stupid or Frenzied 1/3 of the time.

 

[Stormrage]

Aaglo, Kairob, anyone, any thoughts of your own you`d like to share about this Hoc and BoC 2nd def?

 

[kairob]

I don’t like the idea of fast units being defenders tbh, I don’t think the centigor or hound should defend, that said the best situation would be if aaglo was willing to make a bestigor with a pole arm *hint hint*.

 

[Stormrage]

The thing about the hound being defensive is that he would have 1 point movement, cos dogs are just sprinters anyway..

One other thing is, if we somehow (by unit-making divine intervention ) get the second bestigor, he would be sweet for BoC, but would he require iron and beasts for the Hoc, or just one of those resources. Too bad there isn`t a HoC defensive unit miniature out there so we can request something

 

[aaglo]

Naturally, none of the basic-line BoC-units (gors, ungors, bestigors, bray-shamen) would require beasts-resource, since the "beastiness" is already in their blood. DUH!

And I'll think about that pike-bestigor (altough it does seem a strange issue - a beast with pikes...?)

 

[LMR]

but the beasts available to the HoC would need beasts, right? so copies of, for example, the ungor would be needed: one for the BoC where it is the regular spearman, and one for the HoC where it was stronger then their spearman and requires beasts.

another option is to have the chaos spearman as the 1st defensive and the ungor as the 2nd defensive for both HoC and BoC

 

[Wolfhart]

but the beasts available to the HoC would need beasts, right? so copies of, for example, the ungor would be needed: one for the BoC where it is the regular spearman, and one for the HoC where it was stronger then their spearman and requires beasts.

another option is to have the chaos spearman as the 1st defensive and the ungor as the 2nd defensive for both HoC and BoC

You've probably already thought of this and rejected using it, but Aaglo did do two ungors: the original the same size as the bestigor, and one smaller roughly the same size as humans. So the smaller for 1st def or regular BoC, and the larger for 2nd def or HoC requiring beasts?

 

[LMR]

i can only find three beastmen units that aaglo made: the ungor, bestigor and centigor. the minotaur was made by kinboat and the beastman (which i think will become the gor) was made by ED.

have you got a link?

 

[aaglo]

the original (larger) ungor is in the ungor thread http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Ungor.zip. And while I think that the larger ungor would suit fine, it just looks too much like that smaller ungor (it should atleast have a different weapon or something...)

 

[LMR]

ah, i see

do you still have the ungor in pov-ray format, aaglo? if you do how hard would it be to make the spear a pike, and maybe add a bit of rusty armour?

if you don't wanna, i might be able to C'n'P a bit

 

[aaglo]

making the spear into a pike wouln't be hard. But re-making the attack-animations would be.