What Civs would you want to see in Civ 6? - Europe
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Duke William of Normandy
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You spelled Byzantines wrong.
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Duke William of Normandy
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It's alright, mistakes like that happen to all of us.
Number one pick would be Romania..
Some countries I just think work better as a city-state, that is contested between empires.
Like Finland (first being just easter Sweden, then grand duchy of Russia, involved in WW2 and the cold war..) and Serbia maybe too.
Some countries I just think work better as a city-state, that is contested between empires.
Like Finland (first being just easter Sweden, then grand duchy of Russia, involved in WW2 and the cold war..) and Serbia maybe too.
I voted for Portugal, Byzantines and Austria.
I would vote for Italy but it's not up there.
I would vote for Italy but it's not up there.
Duke William of Normandy
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I say all of them. If I could vote for all of them.
I voted Byzantines, Ireland, Bohemia, and Armenia, though I consider Armenia Asian. I wouldn't mind seeing Bulgaria or Austria, either. In Civ7 I'd love to see Iceland as "the Viking civ," but in Civ6 I don't see them being meaningfully different from Norway.
Duke William of Normandy
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If you want to play as Iceland, check out Sukritact's mod for Iceland, it is amazing.
It's the only modded civ in my game, though I haven't had an opportunity to play it yet.
I don't think the Icelandics did much coastal raiding as it was a pretty insular society mainly focused on internal squabbles.
True, but they were a Norwegian colony and essentially the last outpost of "Viking-ness," so to speak, after Scandinavia proper was Christianized (though Iceland followed pretty quickly after). They also definitely embody the explorer side of the Viking heritage as Greenland was discovered (in part) from Iceland and Vinland in turn from Greenland.
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Bulgaria, that's all I really need.
(But if we are looking at adding anything beyond Bulgaria, Portugal, and Byzantium, then I think good splinter states include Denmark to give the Kalmar Union some representation, Ireland to give us something actually Celtic, and maybe Armenia to get some non-ancient flavor in Mesopotamia and the levant. But really all of those feel adequately represented by city-states to the same extent that Wales, Lithuania, Bohemia, Finland, Iceland, Serbia, Albania are and would be. Austria's on the fence but we have Hungary and Austria bores me.)
(But if we are looking at adding anything beyond Bulgaria, Portugal, and Byzantium, then I think good splinter states include Denmark to give the Kalmar Union some representation, Ireland to give us something actually Celtic, and maybe Armenia to get some non-ancient flavor in Mesopotamia and the levant. But really all of those feel adequately represented by city-states to the same extent that Wales, Lithuania, Bohemia, Finland, Iceland, Serbia, Albania are and would be. Austria's on the fence but we have Hungary and Austria bores me.)
...But Armenia is neither in Mesopotamia nor the Levant; the Caucasus is adjacent to Anatolia (which Armenia formerly spilled into, but don't tell the Turks
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Boris Gudenuf
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...But Armenia is neither in Mesopotamia nor the Levant; the Caucasus is adjacent to Anatolia (which Armenia formerly spilled into, but don't tell the Turks
True But - the Armenia/Caucasus region had a lot of interactions with Mesopotamia and Persia and even Greece/the Balkans as well as the more neighborly region of Anatolia
Those connections and influences go 'way back: The Maikop and Koban Caucasus area Cultures (prehistoric) were sources for copper and bronze metals trade as far back as 3700 BCE with the cities of Mesopotamia and after the first 'wine grapes' were cultivated and turned into wine in Armenia region (4000 BCE) the plant and the techniques spread to Anatolia, Greece, and the Mediterranean basin first. Armenia was a very important 'buffer state' between Rome and Persia later, and the Christian Armenian kingdom a very militant neighbor to the Islamic states of Persia, Iraq (area) and Anatolia. The great majority of Armenia's/Caucasus area's interactions, in fact, were always south, with Persia and Mesopotamia as well as Anatolia, or across the Black Sea to the Balkans and Greece.
It's not too much of a stretch to produce an Armenian Civ based on the Ancient/Classical/Medieval Armenia that was heavily involved with Mesopotamia, Greece and Persia as much as with Anatolia.
But anybody want to bet that the Turkish Government might lodge a protest about portraying an Armenian Civ in t he game, similar to the on-going veto China has applied vis-a-vis Tibet?
@Boris Gudenuf Oh, I agree. The Caucasus, long before the Armenians showed up and it still belonged to the Hurrians (and later Urartians), was an extremely important satellite of Mesopotamia, and in the Middle Ages it became an important satellite of Persia. I was just pointing out that, strictly speaking, it's neither Levantine nor Mesopotamian because this is Civfanatics and pedantry is the order of the day here.
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If they went out of their way to highlight Armenian Anatolia, maybe, but TBH I don't think it would really be a big deal. Turkey and Armenia have civil but distant diplomatic relations, maintained by just not talking about Armenian revanchism or Mt. Ararat. Indeed, I've clamored for including Mt. Ararat a great deal, but that would probably cause a bigger stir that including Armenia as a civ. Including an Armenian civ would be much more controversial in Azerbaijan (a defining market for Firaxis, no doubt
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