What do you think of copy-protection in Audio-CD's ?

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I, for one, absolutely hate them. :mad: IMHO (and under swiss law) I have the right to make a copy of a CD I bought for personal use, e.g. convert the songs to mp3's. Now I know it is possible to copy a CD despite copy-protection, but I just hate to put a lot of effort into this. The only persons that really get hurt by this policy are the legal buyers, those that illegally acquire music aren't rally stopped.

I for one have decided to refuse to buy any CDs that have a copy-protection, even if I like the music. It's the only (legal) way to "hurt" (admittedly only in a very minor way) the industry.

sorry, just had to vent some steam, after I spent 2 hours trying to (and in the end finally succeeding) rip and convert a CD.
/rant
 
I alos hate them, as I also (German law) ahve the right to copy for my private, personal use, even to make copies for friends.

I will not buy any CD with copy protection - period!
 
Yeah they dont think what they are doing,they are just encouraging it.
If they lower the prices much more poeple will buy it in stores,however the damage is now irreversible as most kids and teenagers think its normal to download it.
 
Can I be off topic in the off topic forum?

Something vastly more annoying the copy protection on audio CD's is the regional code on DVD's and PS2 discs. I travel a lot and can't bpick all the bargains (legal ones of course - no- pirates) in the US or Asia because they won't play on my equipment.

My third DVD player is now code free but it is still a pain in the arse.
 
I never buy CD's, I download all my music since, imho, CD's are much to expensive and most money goes to people who alreally have to much. But a lot of music I write on CD's, since I consider it handier to listen.
 
Warmonger wrote:

Something vastly more annoying the copy protection on audio CD's is the regional code on DVD's and PS2 discs. I travel a lot and can't bpick all the bargains (legal ones of course - no- pirates) in the US or Asia because they won't play on my equipment.

This is my major concern as well, and I can't imagine I'm the only one. I live in the U.S. (one proposed regional code zone) but frequently travel to Europe (another zone) where I like to buy CDs and films. Does this now mean that not only will I not be able to make customized copies of my own legally-purchased music but I also won't be able to buy any music or film made outside my own regional code zone? This is absurd. Regional VHS formats had converters so that one could buy aq Polish video and watch it on an American VCR; will DVDs and CDs have similar converters? (Somehow, I doubt it - the music and film industries would rather I buy their products rather than those made in another country. "Why waste your time with Quo Vadis or Colonel Redl - here, try another Disney film...")

Hang on to that old analog equipment, folks...
 
If all of you crazy kids hadn't been pirating the damn things in the first place, this wouldn't have been proposed.

You're right - legal buyers like me are victims - but so are the companies that are forced to spend money protecting something that the selfish Napster generation couldn't have been bothered to respect in the first place. Yes, the companies are pissing some users off. But don't you think they'd be happier living like they did in the 1980s and 1990s without the added burden of copy protection and a much more manageable piracy rate?

R.III
 
R. III: I think it is less the internet kids but more the Chinese CD-copiers that prompted the development. now, Napster is jsut inculded on the target list and has climbed to No1.
 
Originally posted by Lt. 'Killer' M.
I alos hate them, as I also (German law) ahve the right to copy for my private, personal use, even to make copies for friends.
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Could you provide the law that states that you have the right to copy audio CDs for your friends in Germany? With all due respect, I find this very hard to believe. Making a copy for yourself is one thing. I'm sure that all of us here who were alive during the vinyl days remember buying records and copying them to cassette tape for our own personal use. Perfectly ok. Giving that same tape to your friend, so they don't have to buy the album? Not so ok. You are now depriving the artist of royalties.


Originally posted by Cecasander

I never buy CD's, I download all my music since, imho, CD's are much to expensive and most money goes to people who alreally have to much.
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This of course, is my favourite argument supporting piracy. "Piracy is ok because the artists/companies/whatever have a lot of money, and charge more than I think they should." :rolleyes:

I suppose it's ok to rob banks too, because loans are much too expensive, and the banks already have too much money.
 
Originally posted by Richard III
If all of you crazy kids hadn't been pirating the damn things in the first place, this wouldn't have been proposed.

You're right - legal buyers like me are victims - but so are the companies that are forced to spend money protecting something that the selfish Napster generation couldn't have been bothered to respect in the first place. Yes, the companies are pissing some users off. But don't you think they'd be happier living like they did in the 1980s and 1990s without the added burden of copy protection and a much more manageable piracy rate?

R.III
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I think you missed my point.

What I mean is that copy-protection doesn't do anything to protect the industry against piracy: those that want to download their music will do so anyway, there never was nor will there ever be a copy-protection that cannot be cracked. Instead of trying to copy my CD (which I acquired legally) I could have just started a p2p-client and downloaded the songs, there's always someone else who doesn't mind putting an effort into cracking the cd-protection.

Instead of pumping money into lawsuits and copyprotection they should do what the customors demand for a long time: offer means of getting legal music online that are worth the name, not just the possibility to download crippled music that can only be played on the computer that downloaded it.

All they are succeeding in is pissing of the guys that despite all still pay for their CDs
 
Dralix: give me until Saturday, I can on Friday evening get the law books from my parents and check them.

I know you are practically unrestricted for private use here in germany, means i can make a copy for a friend, I can make MP3s out of the song, but (strangely) I may not copy the MP3s to his PC. He can lend the CD from me and make MP3s for his personal use, too.


You want me to look it up?
 
Originally posted by Lt. 'Killer' M.
Dralix: give me until Saturday, I can on Friday evening get the law books from my parents and check them.

I know you are practically unrestricted for private use here in germany, means i can make a copy for a friend, I can make MP3s out of the song, but (strangely) I may not copy the MP3s to his PC. He can lend the CD from me and make MP3s for his personal use, too.
ok it up?
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Yep, I remember an article in Ct' which more or less backs this up.
 
R.III

And the cassetrecorder killed the LP, right!!!!

Give me a break.

DVD-regions is anoying but I would never buy a DVD-player that was not region free. And most sold in sweden are (evne got the codes how to do it on the big ritalers webpages :) )

CD-protection, would never buy a record like that...

Give us new services insted of hanging on to old tecnology, let us download mp3 from the web and pay for them that way.
 
Originally posted by Lt. 'Killer' M.
Dralix: give me until Saturday, I can on Friday evening get the law books from my parents and check them. ... You want me to look it up?
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If it's not too much trouble, yes. I would appreciate it.
 
OK, I hope my Mom didn't throw her books out :lol:

But I can ask my parents which lawbook and which §§ it wouls be, then get them from the library on monday.
 
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