What If God Was Real And Manifested Proving It?

Arwon said:
Lol you'll be just as cooked as the rest of us when it turns out the Zoroastrians were right all along
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that would be funny.

I didn't pick a winner on my OP but could be something like this or even none are the one true faith.
 
Birdjaguar said:
FTFY
It usually comes down to "definitions". The big bang seems to have "brought forth" the physical universe we inhabit and can observe and measure. That alone leave lots of unanswered questions. Zard set a Christianish framework to his OP, but even that leaves quite a lot of varying definitions/descriptions of god which have never been agreed upon.

What we do know is that
  • Reasoned thought and observation continue to expand what we know about the observable universe
  • "Religious" experiences continue to overwhelm many people into believing that the observable universe is not all there is to existence
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I'm not Christian it's just the one I know best.

It's possible God could manifest in my scenario and declwar the Christians are heretics or whatever.
 
Valka D'Ur said:
Except it obviously doesn't satisfy all the humans. There are several atheists in this thread who have made that abundantly clear.
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that's their problem
I'd put in one quote from Tolkien, but I'm afraid I'll get banned again)))) @Birdjaguar
Look, i'm "deist", i don' belive in any religion, although I do sympathize with some of them.
You're an atheist. You want an answer. And until science gives you an answer, your mind is restless.
A person of faith doesn't have to think about some questions. He has faith. And he is happy with that awareness.
The choice is yours
Faith is a choice. And I'm in favor of choice. And if you made your choice to be an atheist, am I responsible if my answer didn't satisfy you or you didn't find an answer in my post?
 
Valka D'Ur said:
I don't like being pressured or demands made that I consider unreasonable.
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I totally understand what you mean. Nobody likes being pressured into anything. I've walked out of many shops when the sales person became very pushy on getting me to buy a product. It's like an instant turnoff for me. If Sid Meier himself came to my house, rang the door bell, and pressured me to buy Civ VII I'd slam the door in his face. (Even though I love love love civilization games)

Just hope when you read my original post in this thread you were not taking it as being pushy. If so, I need to work on my message. I appreciate the feedback!! :)
 
@Moff Jerjerrod Your messages and posting are just fine and reflect your beliefs. There is nothing wrong with saying what you believe to be true. Believers, nonbelievers and atheists do it all the time. :)
 
Moff Jerjerrod said:
I'm really glad this thread was started and I believe it happens in a timely manner.

What if I told you that someday, and I believe soon, God is going to appear to the whole world and everyone will know that He is God and there is no one else like Him? Yet many will still not believe.

But before that happens beware of deception. Many will come in His name working all sorts of lying wonders in an attempt to convince you that the counterfeit is the real deal (which it is not). Yet many will believe this counterfeit.

I believe that all of us have a built in mechanism to determine lies from truth. The thing is to work on opening your heart portal to be able to discern lies from truth.
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Republicans are doing the deception now. Few people are catching it. Republicans and other conservatives are doing everything in their power to make sure that no one recognizes God when he comes.

Now I don't have any reason to think it will be soon. We are not in a godly era. Most of the people claiming to follow God in this era act in the service of Satan. And this drives people away from Faith. So this is the worst of times foe God to declare the End of Times.
 
Zardnaar said:
big booming voice from the sky laying down the law.
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Zardnaar said:
Failure to comply one way ticket to hell or your city is destroyed.
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I am like 98% sure that all those people who watch Fox News would be quickly convinced that this is a hoax or a false woke god.

Others would post about it on social media and complain about it.

Some Buddhist monks might go along with this and be spared.

Then the "God" would uncloak and SURPRISE it was a Romulan Warbird all along
 
Lexicus said:
If God came down and told centrists they are the white moderate and to repent and change, would centrists:

A) meekly change their opinions at the behest of the Supreme One, or
B) lecture God about how God's ideas are impractical and won't win over voters in crucial swing states
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Pretty sure they wouldn't even get a chance because God would get called a a racist sexist everything-phobe the first time he simply said "be nice to people".
(hoping this is taken in the spirit of "goose/gander" ribbing that it is meant)

In light of the conditions laid out in thread's OP (& subsequent clarification) though, I'd be open to it - I mean, skeptical, sure, but if some Being appeared with all the properties of a previously described deity & started condemning whole cities/cultures to destruction which didn't follow Its tenets, well... I'd try to follow its commands to the best of my abilities. For all practical purposes it wouldn't matter to me if it's an actual deity or an alien or a time traveler from the future - if it demonstrates the power of a "deity" & cataclysmically destroys those who don't follow its commands, what real choice do most people have?

I'm reminded of Rorschach in Watchmen: you can go all "Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armageddon." But I doubt I would. I'd be more like Night Owl/Silk Specter & just go along with it. Given that the alternative is becoming a blood splatter on the snow.
 
RobAnybody said:
Pretty sure they wouldn't even get a chance because God would get called a a racist sexist everything-phobe the first time he simply said "be nice to people".
(hoping this is taken in the spirit of "goose/gander" ribbing that it is meant)

In light of the conditions laid out in thread's OP (& subsequent clarification) though, I'd be open to it - I mean, skeptical, sure, but if some Being appeared with all the properties of a previously described deity & started condemning whole cities/cultures to destruction which didn't follow Its tenets, well... I'd try to follow its commands to the best of my abilities. For all practical purposes it wouldn't matter to me if it's an actual deity or an alien or a time traveler from the future - if it demonstrates the power of a "deity" & cataclysmically destroys those who don't follow its commands, what real choice do most people have?

I'm reminded of Rorschach in Watchmen: you can go all "Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armageddon." But I doubt I would. I'd be more like Night Owl/Silk Specter & just go along with it. Given that the alternative is becoming a blood splatter on the snow.
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Just to be clear not every city gets destroyed if they don't toe the line.

Maybe a few who are actively sinning and opposing deity en masses.

What counts as actively sinning entirely up to you.

Main point is God can be angry/vengeful.
 
Moff Jerjerrod said:
I totally understand what you mean. Nobody likes being pressured into anything. I've walked out of many shops when the sales person became very pushy on getting me to buy a product. It's like an instant turnoff for me. If Sid Meier himself came to my house, rang the door bell, and pressured me to buy Civ VII I'd slam the door in his face. (Even though I love love love civilization games)

Just hope when you read my original post in this thread you were not taking it as being pushy. If so, I need to work on my message. I appreciate the feedback!! :)
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I don't just mean pushy salespeople in stores, or salespeople who assume the customer has a different reason for their purchase than they actually do. Functionality matters more to me than appearance, so there are a lot of miffed salespeople in my past encounters. You'd think a clerk would be glad if someone went in and knew exactly what they wanted, bought it, and left (no, I didn't spend half an hour trying on shoes for organ-playing, as I knew what I needed, pointed to the one in the window, told the clerk what size, and was out of there in under 5 minutes).

In the context of this thread, though, pushiness and being demanding are things that profoundly annoy me once I've said "no." I'm not a believer, it would take far more evidence than anyone has ever presented so far to make me into one, and then I get told that "if you'd just look around you, that's all the evidence you need". Um... no.

So if a doorknocker goes past me saying 'not interested' in an egregiously pushy way, they're likely to get told off rather bluntly. That's not to say I've never had conversations with Mormons; the ones from California or other places in the U.S. can be... interesting at times, since some of them have really odd ideas about history. At this point I just have to ask: Is nothing of North American history that happened before 1492 taught in American schools?

I actually did tell one guy peddling some sort of faith video that no, I did not trust him just because he said he was a minister, and since I'd already told him several times to leave, I'd be reporting him for trespassing if he didn't remove himself from my porch.

Pushy people on the forum? There have been a few. They're mostly not here anymore, though. For myself, I've toned down my responses in some respects. If you want the full effect of "Valka is pissed off at people who keep insisting that science/atheism is a religion", check some of the YouTube comment sections, most notably on a couple of Richard Dawkins/Lawrence Krauss videos, and his "interview" with Wendy Wright. Mind you, I go by a different name there. :p

Zardnaar said:
Just to be clear not every city gets destroyed if they don't toe the line.

Maybe a few who are actively sinning and opposing deity en masses.

What counts as actively sinning entirely up to you.

Main point is God can be angry/vengeful.
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I don't think you'll find a city on the planet where there isn't someone engaging in "sin". After all, sin is a subjective thing, and an often hypocritical one.

Example: Henry VIII declared himself the head of the church in England, and there were a succession of popes who really didn't like that.

Henry did not, to my knowledge, declare that the Ten Commandments were no longer valid, yet there were some that he violated frequently (ie. adultery).
 
Valka D'Ur said:
I don't just mean pushy salespeople in stores, or salespeople who assume the customer has a different reason for their purchase than they actually do. Functionality matters more to me than appearance, so there are a lot of miffed salespeople in my past encounters. You'd think a clerk would be glad if someone went in and knew exactly what they wanted, bought it, and left (no, I didn't spend half an hour trying on shoes for organ-playing, as I knew what I needed, pointed to the one in the window, told the clerk what size, and was out of there in under 5 minutes).

In the context of this thread, though, pushiness and being demanding are things that profoundly annoy me once I've said "no." I'm not a believer, it would take far more evidence than anyone has ever presented so far to make me into one, and then I get told that "if you'd just look around you, that's all the evidence you need". Um... no.

So if a doorknocker goes past me saying 'not interested' in an egregiously pushy way, they're likely to get told off rather bluntly. That's not to say I've never had conversations with Mormons; the ones from California or other places in the U.S. can be... interesting at times, since some of them have really odd ideas about history. At this point I just have to ask: Is nothing of North American history that happened before 1492 taught in American schools?

I actually did tell one guy peddling some sort of faith video that no, I did not trust him just because he said he was a minister, and since I'd already told him several times to leave, I'd be reporting him for trespassing if he didn't remove himself from my porch.

Pushy people on the forum? There have been a few. They're mostly not here anymore, though. For myself, I've toned down my responses in some respects. If you want the full effect of "Valka is pissed off at people who keep insisting that science/atheism is a religion", check some of the YouTube comment sections, most notably on a couple of Richard Dawkins/Lawrence Krauss videos, and his "interview" with Wendy Wright. Mind you, I go by a different name there. :p



I don't think you'll find a city on the planet where there isn't someone engaging in "sin". After all, sin is a subjective thing, and an often hypocritical one.

Example: Henry VIII declared himself the head of the church in England, and there were a succession of popes who really didn't like that.

Henry did not, to my knowledge, declare that the Ten Commandments were no longer valid, yet there were some that he violated frequently (ie. adultery).
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Sinners are fine but say the big comnandment was "thou shalt not eat chocolate icecream".

Say London told God to get bent, invited Chocolate Mc Chocoface ice cream company to the city and actively promoted its residents to eat Chocolate icecream (and they enthusiastically partake)it might be a good candidate for divine retribution.
 
What if god appeared and ended up looking like this?
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Zardnaar said:
Just to be clear not every city gets destroyed if they don't toe the line.

Maybe a few who are actively sinning and opposing deity en masses.

What counts as actively sinning entirely up to you.

Main point is God can be angry/vengeful.
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Oh, sure, I get that - I'm accepting your premise & imagining my hypothetical response rather than trying to argue against the premise.

But if I grant that enough smiting already happened that it was obvious it would keep happening & there's really nothing anyone could do about the continued smiting, then I'd "believe", or at least do my best to appear to. Basically hoping that the valid arguments against Pascal's Wager don't come into play here - that this Being wouldn't know (or care) that I was just playing along & still smite me for that. I'm just not the type to be all "hey, [Being]! you're not really a deity! you're just a natural phenomenon we haven't explained yet! I dare you to smite me for speaking the tru--" <--- this is where I died in that scenario
 
Moff Jerjerrod said:
If Sid Meier himself came to my house, rang the door bell, and pressured me to buy Civ VII I'd slam the door in his face. (Even though I love love love civilization games)
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Why am I suddenly picturing Sid Meier doing a sales pitch like Billy Mays? 🫠
 
Moff Jerjerrod said:
If Sid Meier himself came to my house, rang the door bell, and pressured me to buy Civ VII I'd slam the door in his face. (Even though I love love love civilization games)
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I'd offer a deal: A really, REALLY good discount (one meaningful to Canadians; with GST and exchange, 10% is next to nothing; I don't even buy games at BFG anymore unless it's at least 60% off)... and make ToT available for modern versions of Windows without all the rigamarole necessary for the patch project, AND compensation for that battleship I lost to a trireme in Civ I.

But I still wouldn't worship him. The first Civilization game I ever played was the Avalon Hill board game. That one requires you to have good control over your body language and facial expressions to prevent your opponent from realizing that along with the trade deal you're offering, you're also slipping him one or more Disaster cards. I managed to win a game by slipping someone a massive case of Civil Disorder in the last turn's trading round. There was no way for him to recover from that.
 
Whether people believe the entity to be god or not, is still distinct from how they'd act. It's what happens in the Great Inquisitor chapter, in the Brothers Karamazov.
But they still would be wrong to believe it proved it was god, even if it was.
 
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