What is a neocon?

[Red Stranger]

Neo-conservatives seem to have less respect for the constitution. They have passed many a bill that infringes upon the rights of the people, and gives the powerful people even more influence and power.

Any proof of that, or are you just throwing out common slogans and jingles?

 

[CaptainF]

I'd say that a Neo-Conservative is a statist.

They want more government involvement in domestic affairs and such, like more social welfare spending.

What really sets a neo-con apart, however, is their beliefs on foreign policy. They are believers in "exporting democracy", and generally are ardent supporters of Israel, Taiwan, and other such "free states". They are also rabid anti-commies.

According to Wiki, they also are infaturated with Free Trade.

 

[Spartan117]

here is a website to start off on. I dont know if it is reliable or not

http://www.shockingelk.com/text/neoconservative/

however i dont believe neocon means a liberal that just switched to similiar ideals as a conservative

 

[skadistic]

I'd say that a Neo-Conservative is a statist.

What really sets a neo-con apart, however, is their beliefs on foreign policy. They are believers in "exporting democracy", and generally are ardent supporters of Israel, Taiwan, and other such "free states". They are also rabid anti-commies.

According to Wiki, they also are infaturated with Free Trade.

How is this bad?

 

[Spartan117]

people use it as a derogatory term i think because a "neocon" also tends to favor more military action. that is usually seen as "bad".

 

[CaptainF]

How is this bad?

Well, even though I'm not a neocon, I tried to offer a dispassionate summary of their views.

Well, I dunno, I see Neocons as way too idealistic. They expect everyone to kiss our ass just because we are American and have guns. One of the main reasons they support "exporting democracy" is that it supposedly makes us safe by creating new allies, which is the biggest smouldering pile of BS I've heard in a long while.

 

[Red Stranger]

Well, even though I'm not a neocon, I tried to offer a dispassionate summary of their views.

Well, I dunno, I see Neocons as way too idealistic. They expect everyone to kiss our ass just because we are American and have guns. One of the main reasons they support "exporting democracy" is that it supposedly makes us safe by creating new allies, which is the biggest smouldering pile of BS I've heard in a long while.

So you don't support having more democratic allies?

 

[ThePrankMonkey]

Doesn't sound to bad to me. Why is it used as a bad term to try and demean?

because demeaning and name calling is the only way some people can communicate/debate/discuss issues in politics./'

its easier to hate and loathe something if you demonize it.

 

[skadistic]

I quess I'm a post-modern liberal-conservative-libertarian.

 

[Tenochtitlan]

So you don't support having more democratic allies?

Installing and re-installing governments is not really that democratic. Besides the US is allies with many dictatorships, like many countries in the Arab world.

 

[ThePrankMonkey]

neocon as I have generally seen used is not used as a label but as an insult. definition alone doesnt bely the true meaning of the word, the intent/use the word helps do this.

like i said, i've seen it used as more of an insult than a label as if neocon = satan incarnate.

 

[ainwood]

Any proof of that, or are you just throwing out common liberal slogans and jingles?

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[Red Stranger]

Installing and re-installing governments is not really that democratic. Besides the US is allies with many dictatorships, like many countries in the Arab world.

The countries we ally with, while may not be as democratic as America, are a lot better than their regional counterparts.

 

[Tenochtitlan]

Any proof of that, or are you just throwing out common liberal slogans and jingles?

Secret prisons? Patriot Act? Anti-Net neutrality? Oppose strict environmental laws? Torturing suspects?

I believe those big corrupt corporations use terms like compassionate conservatism or neo-conservatism to appeal to more people and get more votes, furthering their agenda and maximising their profits. In a few years, when a democrat is in office, these same corporations will do the same thing, use liberal idealogy to appeal to the masses, and again get what they want, as we slowly spiral down into a police state. but I digress

 

[Tenochtitlan]

The countries we ally with, while may not be as democratic as America, are a lot better than their regional counterparts.

Like Saudi Arabia?

 

[Irish Caesar]

Whereas the old conservative would be isolationist, the neoconservative has similar economic policies but more military spending to convert the world into a democratic paradise.

 

[sonorakitch]

I believe Barry Goldwater was a Neocon by that definition. Although I thought the very first term would be classical liberalism.

No no! Goldwater despised the neo cons. Goldwater founded the modern conservative movement which has been hijacked (lack of a better word) by neocons, in the same way that the DLC has hijacked the Democratic party.

A major pillar of the neocon movement is the tenant of nation building. Something Goldwater felt very strongly against.

~Chris

 

[Katheryn]

Neo-cons are supposed to place more reliance on military intimidation as opposed to diplomacy, and very pro-Israel, very Republican.

To contrast what a 'neo-con' is you have the new designation 'paleocon', which is a reaction to the excesses of the neocons (specifically the debacle in Iraq).

Paleo-cons are more isolationist, want to close the border, anti-globalist, libertarian in social issues, and nationalistic, anti-centralization, but favoring states rights over federal government, pro-constitution.

Most neocons are abandoning the label for paleocon in droves.

Peace!

 

[Katheryn]

No no! Goldwater despised the neo cons. Goldwater founded the modern conservative movement which has been hijacked (lack of a better word) by neocons, in the same way that the DLC has hijacked the Democratic party.

A major pillar of the neocon movement is the tenant of nation building. Something Goldwater felt very strongly against.

~Chris

Wouldn't it be William F. Buckley? As the founder?

Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michael Medved, Hugh Hewitt, Michele Malkin, Anne Coulter, all neocons, I think.

 

[Katheryn]

This is the core group that is in charge in the White House. You can find everything here:


Welcome to the Project for the New American Century

A neoconservative organization supporting greater American militarization, challenging hostile governments, advancing democratic and economic freedom, ...


http://www.newamericancentury.org/