What is a planet?

Ah well... I wasn't trying to argue Nemesis or anything, i'm just interested in it.

And can I please join you and Curtsibling in taking over the world?

*edit* don't worry, I'm going to help you whether you like it or not.
 
Meleager said:
An object in a stable orbit who's mass is greater then the sum mass of every other object in a similar orbit, and that is roughly sephirical due to its own gravity.


But then aren't all of the comets that come near in the sun strange orbital paths planets?
 
@Steph: All the traditional planets are close to spherical. Many other objects in the solar system are far from spherical.

The asteroid Eros is a somewhat extreme example:
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@Steph, it is important to rember, though, that not all small bodies aren't spherical from thier own gravity, the asteroid Ceres, for example.

Ultima Dragoon said:
And can I please join you and Curtsibling in taking over the world?
First off we're not together. Curt and I are in the same industry and have professional regard for one another, but we are largely independant entities.

Second, if you really want to help. Get the highest paying job you can find and send me the money.
 
Perfection said:
Ummm, no. First off, what the heck do Archeaologists have to do with this? You mean astronomers don't you?
Yeah, must have been asleep when I wrote this. Either that or I've been watching too much Stargate SG1.:)

The IAU (the authority on such matters), ruled a few years ago that Pluto was still a planet for scientific reasons (size, moon presence, among others). Since then, several large TNOs (which were considered to not be planets) were discovered. With the recent discovery of the TNO UB313 (which is larger then Pluto) and its submission as a Planet the IAU will have to decide Pluto's fate yet again. The IAU claims that it will figure it out by year's end.
I guess I'll take your word for it.
 
Gogf said:
But then aren't all of the comets that come near in the sun strange orbital paths planets?
Not unless they are spherical under their own gravity. Plus i would say that alot are in "similar orbits"
 
Any object that is approximately spherical due to gravity and that the smallest object it is orbiting (ie rotating about a point that is external to the body itself) is a star. Hopefully the point of rotation of the earth-moon system is within the earth or this description is a complete stuff-up.
 
The centre of mass in the earth-moon system is well within the earth.

That in the Pluto-Charon system is outside Pluto, IIRC.

This would, incidentally, seem to be the most sensible choice of dividing line between primary-satellite systems and double systems.
 
MattII said:
Any object that is approximately spherical due to gravity and that the smallest object it is orbiting (ie rotating about a point that is external to the body itself) is a star.
Can accept the more than doubling of number of planets in the solar system (including the reclassicification of the largest main-belt asteroid Ceres) under your system?
 
Definition of a planet

Main article: Definition of planet

Much like "continent", "planet" is a word without a precise definition, with history and culture playing as much of a role as geology and astrophysics. Recent definitions have been vague and imprecise; The American Heritage Dictionary, for instance, formerly defined a planet as:

A nonluminous celestial body larger than an asteroid or comet, illuminated by light from a star, such as the sun, around which it revolves. In the solar system there are nine known planets: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto.

However, for some time that definition has been viewed by many as inadequate. The eight largest planets (which are also the eight nearest to the Sun) are universally recognised as such, but there is controversy over Pluto and other objects rounded by their own gravity. For this reason these eight are often universally referred to by astronomers as "major planets".

Since the discoveries of many of the objects in the Kuiper belt and around other stars, there has been a concerted push amongst scientists to come up with a precise definition of what constitutes a planet. In 1999, the IAU set up a working group to develop a scientifically plausible recommendation, but as of August, 2005 they had not reached a conclusion. After the discovery of 2003 UB313, a member of the committee, Alan Stern, has said that the group wanted "to get something done, pronto". He also informed journalists that a "consensus" in the group was moving towards the following definition:

A planet is a body that directly orbits a star, is large enough to be round because of self gravity, and is not so large that it triggers nuclear fusion in its interior.

Note that this definition also covers disputes at the upper end of a planet's size, which provides the extra benefit of forming a barrier between planets and brown dwarfs. Many consider this definition the best option as it sets up divisions based on physical characteristics rather than an arbitrary size limit. It is also somewhat universal in its application where other definitions have been crafted mainly to sort our own solar system into simple categories (such as placing the size limit as just under Mars, Mercury or Pluto).

Depending how it is interpreted, objects counted as planets under such a new system would include some or all of the objects listed above, with potentially many more yet to be found.

However, there are alternate suggestions which would instead reduce the number of planets in the system. Upon his discovery of Sedna, Mike Brown of Caltech suggested a definition which would exclude both Sedna and Pluto from being classified as planets, proposing the following:

A planet is any body in the solar system that is more massive than the total mass of all of the other bodies in a similar orbit [1]

This definition generally plays down the importance of size, but instead focuses on the formation of the proposed planet. Under this definition, no Kuiper Belt objects would be considered planets.

Brown's wish to "demote" Pluto prompted many to criticize him for setting out to create a purely scientific definition for a term which had an existing popular application, "flawed" as it might be. Upon his discovery of 2003 UB313, Brown indicated he had become a convert to this way of thinking, and instead proposed that whatever definition of planet be adopted include both Pluto and any Kuiper Belt object found to be larger than Pluto. [2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet#Definition_of_a_planet
 
Any celestial body that contains a molten core and orbits a star is a planet. Remove the molten core, it becomes a rock, and therefore is an asteroid. A chunk of ice is a comet.
 
sourboy said:
Any celestial body that contains a molten core and orbits a star is a planet. Remove the molten core, it becomes a rock, and therefore is an asteroid.
There's a problem with your definition. Terrestrial planets have cores that solidify. When it solidifies should it lose it's planet status? I would think not.
sourboy said:
A chunk of ice is a comet.
Pluto is a comet?!
 
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