What Is Your Favorite Reason For Why The HRE Is A Bad Idea

[cybrxkhan]

yowza... thats a real Quote Wars....

 

[Archduke Otto]

Wow, you really have come to do battle...

 

[TheLastOne36]

I would if i had time.

Btw Poland has a longer history the HRE. A lot longer.

 

[Titus001]

yowza... thats a real Quote Wars....

Yeah they did lol. They both made very good points, but I agree with Calgacus even though Octavius did a good job also. Just my opinion though.... You guys both did a great job.. wow...

 

[lamppost4]

My favorite reason is that it has created too many spam threads in this forum.

 

[Saim]

They are not roman you idiot. They are Germanic... For idiots, there is a differece between Germanic and German. German is the name the English gave to the people of Deutschland. The titile Holy Roman Empire was because it was Catholic, now guess where catholosism was and is based. Also about Byzantia, leave it alone. I am sick of people saying it is just the East Roman Empire. It is a different entity all together. By your strange logic England is really just Normandy, or lets extend that to France while we're being idiots. Now what adds insult to indury is some people saying that they are also a middle age greece. Yes, there where alot of Greeks, but they weren't just a middle age helenic empire.



The Germany of the game is actually Prussia, which was seperate from the Holy Roman Empire. Frederick the Great anyone. If people want to keep mixing up Germanic peoples and Germany, they might as well put their hand in lava.

I wouldn't be too bothered if the rest followed by the way.

 

[Dennis_Moore]

Charlemagne was King of the Franks not Holy Roman Emperor.

I have a "King of the Franks" in my pants.

 

[Hawe Hawe]

General: I am more and more looking forward to the HRE in the game, and don't think it's a soooooo bad idea. Ok, there are more deserving civs, like Poland or Israel, but now im happy with this choice too. I like to see city names from different regions and nations appear in my civ-empire. Capital Aachen, then Milan, Bern, Vienna, Liege, Prague and Verdun. Fascinating! The HRE with its transnational spirit could even be interpreted as a first predecessor (does this word exist in english?) of a unified europe.
@calgacus: Whow, what a good history lesson! (On page 2)
@Menzies: Allthough it is true, that for the longest time Habsburg ruled the HRE, it was not a fixed connection. The dynasties changed during the history. In the beginning Habsburg was still a small duchy in Switzerland. Not to mention debatable Charlemagne, but the famous Stauffer, Salier, Welfen, Ottonen, Luxemburgian or Bohemian dynasties were the driving forces in the medieval HRE.
The system of the HRE with its emperor elected by the major german dukes "Kurfürsten" is very complicated. There were times when the majority could have favored others than the Habsburg candidate. This was for example one of the many causes for the 30-Years-War.

 

[thecommonnate]

What happenes if.

a.) You found a religon, religon spreads to nieghbor, HRE.
If being its nieghbor isn't bad enough, HRE converts to your religon, no one else does, and your stuck with the same civ that you bash daily as your ally.
b.) You found a colony, and the HRE is spawned...
c.) HRE turns into a teching monster, your forced to do trading with him and look at a vast display of historical incorrectness every other turn.
d.) HRE NUKES YOU WTH

 

[EviltheMonkey]

This thread just ilustrates my main problem with civ: the game completely confusses three different entities, the empire, the nation and the culture.

To compare the Celtic culture with the French nation and the Roman empire (for example) makes no sense at all.

I think you should be able to play as one of these entities and that there should be some consistancy in the game.

I think I'm gonna put these ideas into something more coherant and start a new thread. But as far as I'm concerned this is the last major hurdle for the civ francise (sp?) to overcome before it is perfect.

 

[frob2900]

My favorite reason the HRE is a bad idea--and it's my only reason--is that it creates so many spam threads, like this one.

Best answer of the month!

 

[paleman]

It has always mystified me how people can get all worked up about historical accuracy in the context of a game in which it's possible for the Jewish Mayans to make a colony of the Hindu Americans led by Lincoln. Honestly, people . . . get a grip.

 

[dragodon64]

This thread just ilustrates my main problem with civ: the game completely confusses three different entities, the empire, the nation and the culture.

To compare the Celtic culture with the French nation and the Roman empire (for example) makes no sense at all.

I think you should be able to play as one of these entities and that there should be some consistancy in the game.

I think I'm gonna put these ideas into something more coherant and start a new thread. But as far as I'm concerned this is the last major hurdle for the civ francise (sp?) to overcome before it is perfect.

This is what I've believed for a long time, the lack of similar criteria for civ inclusion. The only arguement is that the Celts weren't really a culture but a race group.

 

[Angst]

This is what I've believed for a long time, the lack of similar criteria for civ inclusion. The only arguement is that the Celts weren't really a culture but a race group.

not race, ethnical. Or culture, ethnicity and culture is often following each other.

 

[dragodon64]

True, but i meant that a celt from Britain and a celt from central Europe wouldn't consider themselves to be any closer to each other than they were to the Romans. But you're right i should have used ethnic instead.

 

[TheLastOne36]

what a bump...