What is your view on capital punishment?

[addiv]

Originally posted by Stapel
Which leads to bankrupcy of hard working people that actually have to pay their employee!

I expect you to agree with me that it is the government's task to create and protect an environment where businesses have fair chances! Fair meaning: No false concurrency!

Maybe your point is feasible, when 'contracting prisoners' can (and will) be done by privatised businesses.

Are we willing to put the guarding of murderers in the hands of privatised institutions?

You could just let them work on public project only, or sell the things they make at the normal market price, there are plenty of options. It can only benefit the overall prosperity, we'll have very cheap labour!
And no we are not willing to leave the guarding of murderers to private institutions, nor do we need to.

 

[IglooDame]

Originally posted by addiv
You could just let them work on public project only, or sell the things they make at the normal market price, there are plenty of options. It can only benefit the overall prosperity, we'll have very cheap labour!
And no we are not willing to leave the guarding of murderers to private institutions, nor do we need to.

I fail to see the problem with leaving the guarding of murderers to private institutions.

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by IglooDude
I fail to see the problem with leaving the guarding of murderers to private institutions.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/northamptonshire/3674887.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3642185.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3612215.stm

heh.

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by IglooDude
I fail to see the problem with leaving the guarding of murderers to private institutions.

Private, profit-oriented individuals are more likely to accept bribes! Big-time criminals would gladly pay $10 million to disappear quietly rather than spend lifwe in prison.

The way some juvenile murderers have been treated is sickeningly nice: remeber the killers of little Jamie Bulger? Luxurious apprtments, weekend furloughs, computer games - and, finally, re-settlement under new identities. Age should be irrelevent in deciding the penalty for such a crime.

I voted for life without parole, though. As several others have said, execution is irreversible - and if the convict later turns out to have been innocent... Miscarriages of justice like that demean and undermine the whole judicial system.

Prison for the worst ofenders should be a more austere experience, where they have to work for their food - and work at something which will really benefit society, rather than just waste time and taxpayers' money. Perhaps ploughing and harvesting fields by hand, to save petrol and maintainence on farm machinery?

 

[IglooDame]

Originally posted by Pariah
Private, profit-oriented individuals are more likely to accept bribes! Big-time criminals would gladly pay $10 million to disappear quietly rather than spend life in prison.

@Pariah: Are you suggesting that govt-hired corrections officers are working more out of job satisfaction than their private-company counterparts? I personally think that's ridiculous. If anything, quite the contrary - the one working for lower wages is probably more likely to accept bribes, and be tempted by lower amounts of money, at that.

@Hamlet: Looks like three good examples of the Reliance company's ineptitude there, thanks. However, I didn't read anything in the links that a purely-government-employee organization couldn't have had happen to them. Cancel Reliance's contract and get a more competent company to provide the services.

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by IglooDude
@Pariah: Are you suggesting that govt-hired corrections officers are working more out of job satisfaction than their private-company counterparts? I personally think that's ridiculous. If anything, quite the contrary - the one working for lower wages is probably more likely to accept bribes, and be tempted by lower amounts of money, at that.

Do government-employed prison officers earn less than their private counterparts? I admit I don't know. I was thinking more of the bosses and shareholders in commercial prison services - those who actually stand to make a profit, not the floor staff on their standard wages.

 

[Pariah]

Here's a link on wrongful convictions in America, including those for capital crimes. The volume is scary - and these are only the KNOWN cases...

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/depts/clinic/wrongful/

 

[hawai_74]

your question, civvin, is biased. You are rarely a convicted murderer. You can say that one guy kill another one, but you will never know how and why this happened.
I'm fully against death penalty, if you kill a murderer "legally" (even after he has been judged guilty) you become a murderer too.