What leaders and/or nations do you want in Civilization VII?

I feel like the best solution to the Gandhi dilemma is to give India the "Greek treatment" and ship them with two leaders in the base game. Then give them a split Mughal civ, because I think that's the most reasonable one they could make into a separate one, similar to what they did with Macedon. At least that's how I did my list. :)
 
I feel like the best solution to the Gandhi dilemma is to give India the "Greek treatment" and ship them with two leaders in the base game. Then give them a split Mughal civ, because I think that's the most reasonable one they could make into a separate one, similar to what they did with Macedon. At least that's how I did my list. :)
If one treats India as the Northern Indian Aryan nations, then one could conceivably balkanize off either or both of the Mughals and/or Chola. One could even merge the Mughals with their parent civ the Gurkani and shift them over to Central Asia, though I'll be honest--Gurkani are pretty low on my Central Asia wishlist (certainly below any of Sogdia, Kushan, Hephthalites, Afghanistan, Bactria, Khotan...not necessarily in that order except that Sogdia is definitely at the top of that wishlist...). Actually, yeah, let's scratch off the Gurkani, who could potentially be taking up space in Samarkand or Kabul, and some people get touchy about "Istanbul not Constantinople" situations. :p
 
India as the Northern Aryan nations, Chandragupta or Asohka as leader, and Gandhi as a pre-order bonus eventually released to all.
 
I'd pegged Spain as the preorder bonus, but I'm on board for swapping it to Gandhi. :D
 
Yup. Gandhi as a pre-order bonus or DLC leader would be maximum profit for minimum effort.
If one treats India as the Northern Indian Aryan nations, then one could conceivably balkanize off either or both of the Mughals and/or Chola. One could even merge the Mughals with their parent civ the Gurkani and shift them over to Central Asia, though I'll be honest--Gurkani are pretty low on my Central Asia wishlist (certainly below any of Sogdia, Kushan, Hephthalites, Afghanistan, Bactria, Khotan...not necessarily in that order except that Sogdia is definitely at the top of that wishlist...). Actually, yeah, let's scratch off the Gurkani, who could potentially be taking up space in Samarkand or Kabul, and some people get touchy about "Istanbul not Constantinople" situations. :p
That's why you pick Babur as your leader for the Mughals like in my list with a capital at Akhsikath in present-day Uzbekistan :p

Central Asian TSL that is not Samarkand, strikes the midpoint between Timurid and Mughal with an indisputably effective, but also outrageously brutal ruler that Indians are allowed to hate.

My own list has India split 4 ways between Indo-Aryan Mauryans, Dravidian Cholas, Himalayan Nepalis, and Gurkani Mughals.
 
That's why you pick Babur as your leader for the Mughals like in my list with a capital at Akhsikath in present-day Uzbekistan :p

Central Asian TSL that is not Samarkand, strikes the midpoint between Timurid and Mughal with an indisputably effective, but also outrageously brutal ruler that Indians are allowed to hate.
I thought of Babur but figured his capital would probably be Kabul, which steps on almost as many toes as Samarkand. :p TBH I'd still prefer Ahmad Shah Durrani and Afghanistan over any iteration of the Timurids-Gurkani-Mughals for Islamic Central Asia, though I do admit Babur in Uzbekistan is tempting just for the turquoise domes. :D
 
If one treats India as the Northern Indian Aryan nations, then one could conceivably balkanize off either or both of the Mughals and/or Chola. One could even merge the Mughals with their parent civ the Gurkani and shift them over to Central Asia,
I figure the Mughals would have the best chance because of name recognition. They could also fill the niche that the Ottomans don't. If the Ottomans are portayed in Civ 7 as the Early Modern conqueror civ again, make them the Early modern cultural builders, or vice versa. :D
 
I figure the Mughals would have the best chance because of name recognition. They could also fill the niche that the Ottomans don't. If the Ottomans are portayed in Civ 7 as the Early Modern conqueror civ again, make them the Early modern cultural builders, or vice versa. :D
It would be fun to see the Ottomans depicted as a builder civ for a change, though they'd still need a hefty side of aggression and gunpowder to feel thematic.
 
I thought of Babur but figured his capital would probably be Kabul, which steps on almost as many toes as Samarkand. :p TBH I'd still prefer Ahmad Shah Durrani and Afghanistan over any iteration of the Timurids-Gurkani-Mughals for Islamic Central Asia, though I do admit Babur in Uzbekistan is tempting just for the turquoise domes. :D
I would rather a Maurya, Gupta, or Maratha leader for one who ruled most of India before the Post-Colonial construct over Mughals, by far. The Mughals feel like a Kublai Khan or a Cleopatra (at least my big complaints about those two leaders).
 
I would rather a Maurya, Gupta, or Maratha leader for one who ruled most of India before the Post-Colonial construct over Mughals, by far. The Mughals feel like a Kublai Khan or a Cleopatra (at least my big complaints about those two leaders).
We weren't talking about an Indian leader, though--we were talking about a Timurid/Gurkani/Mughal leader, freeing us from the Pan-Indian blob and Gandhi.
 
We weren't talking about an Indian leader, though--we were talking about a Timurid/Gurkani/Mughal leader, freeing us from the Pan-Indian blob and Gandhi.
Well, I must dissent and say the salvation from Gandhi should not come from the Central Asian Steppes, in any case.
 
Well, I must dissent and say the salvation from Gandhi should not come from the Central Asian Steppes, in any case.
We're not in disagreement--I said myself I'd prefer Afghanistan for Islamic Central Asia and Sogdia among others for Central Asia overall. But step one to getting rid of Gandhi is getting rid of "India" and replacing it with several Indian civs--which means an Aryan Northern Indian civ as we both suggested, a Dravidian Southern Indian civ like Chola, but one could reasonably add the Mughals as well, whether Babur ruling from Uzbekistan or Afghanistan or Akbar/Jahan from a capital within India.
 
I would rather a Maurya, Gupta, or Maratha leader for one who ruled most of India before the Post-Colonial construct over Mughals, by far. The Mughals feel like a Kublai Khan or a Cleopatra (at least my big complaints about those two leaders).
Ideally, I'd want Ashoka, as a potential leader of India/Maurya and a separate Mughal civ. It's a similar situation to what they did with Greece and Alexander in Civ 6.
 
We're not in disagreement--I said myself I'd prefer Afghanistan for Islamic Central Asia and Sogdia among others for Central Asia overall. But step one to getting rid of Gandhi is getting rid of "India" and replacing it with several Indian civs--which means an Aryan Northern Indian civ as we both suggested, a Dravidian Southern Indian civ like Chola, but one could reasonably add the Mughals as well, whether Babur ruling from Uzbekistan or Afghanistan or Akbar/Jahan from a capital within India.
And, even if it's not likely we'll get a full Sikh Confederacy as a civ, Amristar (which I THINK is currently on Gandhi's city list) should be a city-state with a potent Khalsa warrior unit and a Golden Gurdwara housing the Guru Granth Sahib doing something appropriate.
 
And, even if it's not likely we'll get a full Sikh Confederacy as a civ, Amristar (which I THINK is currently on Gandhi's city list) should be a city-state with a potent Khalsa warrior unit and a Golden Gurdwara housing the Guru Granth Sahib doing something appropriate.
A Sikh civ would be fun, but yeah, probably pretty unlikely.
 
Dividing South Asia by majority religion would be a good, defensible way to go about it:
Hindu - Cholas
Buddhist - Maurya
Sikh - Sikh Empire
Muslim - Mughals
Jain - Rashtrakutas

That gets you a good chronological and geographic spread too, except the Cholas and Rashtrakutas' peak time periods are pretty close
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I'd tend toward a three split rather than five split myself (Mughal, Maurya, Chola), and I may make the Northern Aryan civ (here, Maurya) as a more generic one so we have somewhere to stuff The Mascot (tm) as a preorder bonus alt leader and be done with him.
 
But of course, there was the, "Mafia guido in a power-suit," of the Modern Alexander in Civ3...
Aaaargh! You made me remember!
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I'll have to go wash out my eyes with distilled water - and my memory with vodka . . .
 
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