What leaders and/or nations do you want in Civilization VII?

[awesome]

I’m just going to say that I want Inuits in as a city-state.

 

[Caesar of Bread]

Dahomey is another hot option to be a civ, they are the land of Voodoo and very important slave kingdom of West Africa.
They also can have as Unique Unit the Ahosi, women soldiers know as the Amazons of Dahomey.
As leader it should be king Ghezo, his reign was a change of power between Dahomey and their main rival, Oyo. Dahomeyan people stop to be enslaved by Oyo people and start, instead, to enslave Oyo people. Was Ghezo who conquer the city of Ketu, for example.

Nowadays Dahomey is called Benin, but there is also a kingdom of Benin on nowadays Nigeria. Who made the most beautifull artcraft of West Africa.:

I don't will mind if another West African kingdoms become a civ first, I just think the Dahomey empire is more appealing.
Other options to West African kingdoms can be Oyo and Ashante.
About Oyo, should be cool if it's leader be Shango, the thunder god of justice, was also the third king of Oyo.

I like the Oyo and Ashante too, I thought of the Oyo under Oranyan once (one of the people that was playing a civ-styled game with me wanted to be a "Nigerian" civ because they wanted to "mispronounce" the name. I regret my past.)

 

[Zaarin]

Akkadian Empire lead by Sargon?

Agade was a Sumerian city-state that happened to speak Akkadian. Call the civ Sumer but make Sargon or Naram-Sin the leader; this leaves open the possibility of alternate leaders like Gudea, Kugbau, or Ur-Nammu.

That being said, I'd rather not have Sumer back as the base-game Mesopotamian civ; that honor should belong to Assyria, the most significant superpower of the Iron Age that somehow has only been in the franchise once.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

Sub-saharan Africa is not my field of interest; should the Hausa and the Sokoto Caliphate be made a single civilization (the Hausa with Aminatu and Usman dan Fodio as alternative leaders)?

 

[Zaarin]

Sub-saharan Africa is not my field of interest; should the Hausa and the Sokoto Caliphate be made a single civilization (the Hausa with Aminatu and Usman dan Fodio as alternative leaders)?

No. The Fulani are not related to the Hausa.

 

[Patine]

I’m just going to say that I want Inuits in as a city-state.

But they had no cities.

 

[Patine]

Agade was a Sumerian city-state that happened to speak Akkadian. Call the civ Sumer but make Sargon or Naram-Sin the leader; this leaves open the possibility of alternate leaders like Gudea, Kugbau, or Ur-Nammu.

That being said, I'd rather not have Sumer back as the base-game Mesopotamian civ; that honor should belong to Assyria, the most significant superpower of the Iron Age that somehow has only been in the franchise once.

I'm afraid I must dissent and say Babylon, regardless of it's greater repetition in the franchise.

 

[awesome]

But they had no cities.

They have at least a few cities that would work for this, actually.
I don’t want them to be a full civ, or anything, but they’re unique and popular enough to have some kind of representation at some point.

 

[Patine]

They have at least a few cities that would work for this, actually.
I don’t want them to be a full civ, or anything, but they’re unique and popular enough to have some kind of representation at some point.

Froshiber Bay, a clapboard Cold War NORAD radar station and icebreaker refueling bay? Godthab, a supply point and depot and administrative, inspectorate office hub for the Danish colonization of Greenland? Yes, they were renamed to Inuit names (Iqaluit and Nuuk, respectively), made centres of Inuit self-government schemes, given some, "cultural buildings and facilities", and given a big self-congratulatory, mighty-whitey virtue-signaling lauding. But, no, they were not cities ever built by Inuit, and many Inuit elders and activists regard them as soulless and tokenist.

 

[Zaarin]

I'm afraid I must dissent and say Babylon, regardless of it's greater repetition in the franchise.

Because of tradition? I'd happily see many Civ traditions retired. Aside from establishing the largest empire the world had seen up to that point, the Assyrians built the most glorious cities in the ancient Near East--Nineveh, Dur-Sharukin, and Kalhu were all wonders of monumental architecture. I'd love to see all three of Sumer, Babylon, and Assyria, of course, but IMO Assyria should be the base game staple with Sumer and Babylon alternating for the other slot.

 

[Patine]

Because of tradition? I'd happily see many Civ traditions retired. Aside from establishing the largest empire the world had seen up to that point, the Assyrians built the most glorious cities in the ancient Near East--Nineveh, Dur-Sharukin, and Kalhu were all wonders of monumental architecture. I'd love to see all three of Sumer, Babylon, and Assyria, of course, but IMO Assyria should be the base game staple with Sumer and Babylon alternating for the other slot.

No, not tradition. And not pop culture. But a personal preference and greater interest from someone who has read archaeological histories of both. I'm sorry, @Zaarin, to not presenting a tissue-thin motive to easily tear apart.

Although, I wouldn't mind Assyria, and I'm not in complete objection to them, at all. I'm just saying my personal preference.

 

[Zaarin]

No, not tradition. And not pop culture. But a personal preference and greater interest from someone who has read archaeological histories of both. I'm sorry, @Zaarin, to not presenting a tissue-thin motive to easily tear apart.

I wasn't trying to be snarky. Personal preference is a perfectly fair reason. Not many people here share my interest in the time period or region.

 

[Patine]

I wasn't trying to be snarky. Personal preference is a perfectly fair reason. Not many people here share my interest in the time period or region.

I did qualify the post above, while you were typing.

 

[BuchiTaton]

No, it wasn't. There were only many separate, independent, and often small Somali Sultanates before Italian, British, and French colonial control, never an actually unified Somalia as a single nation. And, the Mahdist State was NOT the Sudan - just a small piece of the modern nation.

So neither a civ named "Greece" in CIV7

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

Made changes (in bold) to my previous list:

Europe
Byzantium (Alexios Komnenos)
England (Cromwell)
France (Richelieu)
Gauls Belgium (Albert I)
Georgia Armenia (Tiridates III)
Germany (Otto I)
Greece (Epaminondas, Kapodistrias)
Hungary Bulgaria (Boris I)
Macedonia Serbia (Dušan)
Netherlands Andalusia (Abd ar-Rahman III)
Norway Denmark (Margrethe I)
Poland Lithuania (Vytautas)
Portugal Italy (Matilda of Tuscany, Cavour)
Rome (Vespasian)
Russia (Ivan IV, Stolypin)
Scotland Ireland (Brian Boru)
Spain (Ferdinand III)
Sweden Finland (Mannerheim)

Asia
Arabia (Abd al-Malik)
Babylon Hittites (Puduhepa)
China (Han Wudi, Kangxi, Xuanzong)
India Maratha (Shivaji)
Indonesia Malaysia (Tun Perak)
Japan (Toyotomi Hideyoshi)
Khmer Burma (Bayinnaung)
Korea Philippines (Kalangitan)
Mongolia (Töregene)
Ottomans (Selim I)
Persia (Khosrow I, Abbas I)
Phoenicia Assyria (Tiglath-Pileser I)
Scythia Afghanistan (Ahmad Shah Durrani)
Sumeria Yemen (Arwa al-Sulayhi)
Vietnam Uzbeks (Ismail Samani, Muhammad Shaybani)

Africa
Egypt (Thutmose III)
Ethiopia Somali (Yusuf Mahamud Ibrahim)
Kongo Kanem-Bornu (Idris Aluma)
Mali Berbers (Dihya, Masinissa)
Nubia Hausa (Aminatu)
Zulu Zimbabwe/Mthwazaki (Mzilikazi)

Americas
America Lakota (Red Cloud)
Aztecs Purupecha (Tzitzipandaquare)
Canada Shawnee (Tecumseh)
Cree Miami (Little Turtle)
Inca (Yuanqui)
Maya Zapotecs (Cosijoeza)
Brazil Taíno (Anacoana)
Mapuche Cambeba (Payoreva)

Oceania
Australia Tahiti (Pōmare I)
Maori Samoa (Salamasina)

Cross-Continental
Gran Colombia Benin (Ewuare, Idia)

 

[Patine]

So neither a civ named "Greece" in CIV7

Not unless it represented 1820 onwards, no.

 

[Henri Christophe]

I like the Oyo and Ashante too, I thought of the Oyo under Oranyan once (one of the people that was playing a civ-styled game with me wanted to be a "Nigerian" civ because they wanted to "mispronounce" the name. I regret my past.)

Oranyan is a good option too, he is half black half white in afro-brazilian mythology.

Other good name to Oyo empire could be Odudua, father of Oranyan.
But I still prefer Shango because he is just more famous, at least here in Brazil.

Sub-saharan Africa is not my field of interest; should the Hausa and the Sokoto Caliphate be made a single civilization (the Hausa with Aminatu and Usman dan Fodio as alternative leaders)?

Between Hausa and Sokoto I would prefer Sokoto Caliphate, that make sounds more historical. Hausa is an ethinic group, not an empire as Sokoto Caliphate.
And why Sub-saharan Africa isn't your fild of interest?

 

[Patine]

Oranyan is a good option too, he is half black half white in afro-brazilian mythology.

Other good name to Oyo empire could be Odudua, father of Oranyan.
But I still prefer Shango because he is just more famous, at least here in Brazil.

He's far too mythologized to be considered. So is Shango, for that matter.

 

[Henri Christophe]

He's far too mythologized to be considered. So is Shango, for that matter.

Acttually all leaders of Oyo empire become Orixás in Afro-religions, so all will be heavilly mythologized.
Shango, who is my favorite option, is also a god of Thunder, Fire and Justice.
But that don't mean they aren't real people, but their memories are all heavilly mythologized in after life.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

And why Sub-saharan Africa isn't your fild of interest?

I meant it's not a region that I have read much upon, just like the Americas (North, South and Meso).