What makes a Christian a good Christian?

[LightFang]

IIRC, the Catholic Church has something similar in Limbo, where unbaptized infants are sent. You'd have to ask a Catholic about it, though, or Plotinus, since I'm hazy on the details.

To the best of my knowledge the idea of limbo was taken out.

 

[bhsup]

Which just proves why all manmade dogma isn't worth a used piece of toilet paper. Everything outside of the Bible is at best interesting reference material and at worst false writings that lead you astray.

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[scy12]

I see what El_Mac means . . . that following the Law and never sinning would get one into heaven without Christ, in theory. But in practice no one has ever done this, and realistically no one can.

Why ? ....................

 

[LightFang]

Sola scriptura, not this "sola scripture" business.

 

[Bill3000]

Which just proves why all manmade dogma isn't worth a used piece of toilet paper. Everything outside of the Bible is at best interesting reference material and at worst false writings that lead you astray.

Give me an "S"
Give me an "O"
Give me an "L"
Give me an "A"

Give me an "S"
Give me an "C"
Give me an "R"
Give me an "I"
Give me an "P"
Give me an "T"
Give me an "U"
Give me an "R"
Give me an "E"

Other than the fact that you spelled "Sola Scriptura" wrong, sola scriptura is self contradictory.

Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.

To the best of my knowledge the idea of limbo was taken out.

Limbo exists! It's just the "limbo of the infants" that was "taken out" (and in reality it was just theological spectrum, not doctrine.)

 

[classical_hero]

Wo. You just do not understand the verse you quoted. The last bit explains what he is talking bout since word is referring to. The Greek word for word is 'logos' and that refers to a written word, which is compared to 'rhema', which refers to spoken word. So he is referring to words that have been written down for their learning. The only things that they would have that matches those descriptions are the Old Testament since that was written down and then his letters. Also you need to understand who was the one who taught the Thessalonians, that right it was Paul. So he was saying that they should remain true to what he taught them. And also you need to understand what exactly are those tradition that he taught them. If you look in the rest of the passage you will see that he is talking the second coming of Christ. You should also look at 1 Thessalonians to see what he is talking about since it is in the book that he mentions a very specific doctrine that he is first to introduce since these two books are amongst the first written in the NT. Also you take one verse an take it way out of context to make it what you want to have it mean. It is no way supporting the "traditions" of the Catholic Church as you are trying to make it out to be dong.

 

[classical_hero]

It's why I kill babies, so that they're guaranteed Heaven.

S you can go to hell? It seems like a poor trade off for you.

 

[El_Machinae]

S you can go to hell? It seems like a poor trade off for you.

I'm not as selfish as you.

"No greater love does a man have than this, that a man lay down his [life] for his friend".

The word that's commonly translated as 'life' in that text might not actually mean 'life', since the same word in the New Testament is used as 'soul'.

It could mean "that a man lay down his soul for a friend". Like I said, I'm not selfish. Better I go to Hell than some of my children go to Hell, no?

Anyway, I'm kidding of course.

Agentman: where in the Bible does it say that there won't be any more prophets who're able to expound upon dogma (via God's direction)? Where in the Bible does it say "only in the Bible"?

 

[Ammar]

I'm not as selfish as you.

"No greater love does a man have than this, that a man lay down his [life] for his friend".

The word that's commonly translated as 'life' in that text might not actually mean 'life', since the same word in the New Testament is used as 'soul'.

It could mean "that a man lay down his soul for a friend". Like I said, I'm not selfish. Better I go to Hell than some of my children go to Hell, no?

Anyway, I'm kidding of course.

It's obvious that you are kidding, but I have to admit that's something that has always bothered me because it actually seems to made sense in the framework of those beliefs.

 

[El_Machinae]

We ignore the logic because it's counter to our evolutionary urges. It's 'obviously' wrong, on a gut level.

 

[Elrohir]

Other than the fact that you spelled "Sola Scriptura" wrong, sola scriptura is self contradictory.

Bunk. Words of the Apostles /= words of modern day church leaders. I'm not obligated to follow any church leader. I'll listen to their arguments, and if I agree, then fine - but no pastor or pontiff is above the Word.

 

[Ammar]

Bunk. Words of the Apostles /= words of modern day church leaders. I'm not obligated to follow any church leader. I'll listen to their arguments, and if I agree, then fine - but no pastor or pontiff is above the Word.

Yeah, that's probably what the Jews said when Jesus showed up.

 

[bhsup]

Sola scriptura, not this "sola scripture" business.

Other than the fact that you spelled "Sola Scriptura" wrong, sola scriptura is self contradictory.

Spelling Nazis!

 

[Elrohir]

Yeah, that's probably what the Jews said when Jesus showed up.

Matthew 5:17-18

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

 

[Bill3000]

Bunk. Words of the Apostles /= words of modern day church leaders. I'm not obligated to follow any church leader. I'll listen to their arguments, and if I agree, then fine - but no pastor or pontiff is above the Word.

I'm not talking about a "church leader", I'm talking about unwritten tradition. And one of those ancient traditions that existed since early Christianity is apostolic succession. So, nope, you are obligated to follow a church leader.

Wo. You just do not understand the verse you quoted. The last bit explains what he is talking bout since word is referring to. The Greek word for word is 'logos' and that refers to a written word, which is compared to 'rhema', which refers to spoken word.

logos simply means that which is said or thought. Full meanings can mean "word, sentence, speech, story, debate, utterance; reason, consideration, computation, reckoning; An account, explanation, or narrative; Subject matter." It's used for the concept of the wisdom of god. There's no freaking way it means "written word"

And as usual, just proves that protestants are as pick 'n choose as the rest of them. Non-protestants are far, far more consistent in their christian thought.