What the heck?!? (UN Victory)

[andytheace]

Okay, I just picked up the game last Friday and never played any of the previous civs (I must admit it's pretty awesome). Last night I was playing with 5 civs on a small pangea map on noble. I got a bad start, being smack dab in the middle of the continent. Very quickly I was surrounded on all sides With not great opportunities to expand. Since some of these cities were allies cities, I decide to go for massive culture and flip nearby cities. This worked incredibly well, as I flipped at least one city from all my oppontents. Throughout the game, I was on incredibly good terms with Roosevelt and Mansa Musa, and I was able to convert both to Hinduism(my religion). Both were over +10 as the game got to the modern era, with myself in front by about 800 pts. I finally eliminated the other civs with their help, and figured I was all set for a UN Victory (since I didn't have enough map to go the conquest vic, and I won the previous game by space race). I figured since they were on such good terms with me, and they had been enemies for part of the game, they would both vote for me. But NO! They both voted for Roosevelt. What the heck?!? There was NO WAY Roosevelt treated Mansa Musa better than I did.

The only explaination I can think of was that they were pissed that I culture flipped their cities. Could this be the reason? They didn't seem to get mad about it, with exception to a -1 for close borders.

Right now I'm wonder if a UN Victory is possible at all....

 

[KAuss]

Click on Roosevelt's head in the relations advisor and see what Mansa has to say about their relations...

I haven't had any trouble with diplo wins... I even wrote two threads about them a while back... Just look on the first page...

Diplo wins are a bit trickier when you're dealing with 3 civs... With more civs, it becomes a bit better because there aren't enough randomness... Since everyone is Hindu, you all share the same religion bonuses... I assume you haven't bribe them pre UN voting either? (gifting free techs)

Also, if Roosevelt is 2nd in line for population, you're never going to get them to vote for you... Generally in all my games, the 2nd place civ is always another religoin thankfully... They always tend to vote themselves...

Anyway, if you get a chance, reload that game and try gifting Mansa a few lower end techs, and trade him some resources for nothing...

Roosevelt might be out of it like I said if he's 2nd in line for pop...

Also, culture flip don't set anyone back in relations... It's considered a "peaceful switch..." The population decided to flip, you didn't decide it for them...

 

[ruff_hi]

I'm currently playing a similar game to that mentioned. I was second in the scoring for ages but then really put my head down and spread my religions around, upped the research and bolted to the front (+1000 pts while 1st place put on +300). I finally completed the UN and everyone else (3 other civs) voted for Lizzie (she had most population but was second on the score).

I looked at the relationships and it looks like I have a better relationship to the others than she does. I'm thinking it might have something to do with her being second and the other AIs voting for the under-dog.

 

[Ray Patterson]

Also, culture flip don't set anyone back in relations... It's considered a "peaceful switch..." The population decided to flip, you didn't decide it for them...

On the contrary, I've had positive diplomatic effects from culture flips because border tension was reduced .