Wodan
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Tauro said:3G dam (lol, message too short...never read this warning before)
Except it would be useless without Factories.
What wonder (of ALL ) would you pick to start with?
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Except it would be useless without Factories.
fightcancer
Warlord
Nothing personal, but several posters in this thread are overlooking the obvious shortcomings of several wonders.niffweed17 said:
For example, the 3G Dam would be utterly and totally useless at the beginning of the game. Only after the discovery of Assembly Line and the creation of factories in every city would the 3G Dam be helpful. I can't believe how many posters overlooked this detail.
Similarly, the UN wonder would not be overpowered IMO as it relies on cultivating good relationships over many, many turns. At the beginning of the game, my civilization would not have even contacted other civs--let alone cultivated strong relationships with them.
Finally, the Internet and Manhattan Projects are both considered "projects" and NOT wonders. Neither of them qualify for this thread.
I'm still not sure which wonder I'd choose, but I liked your idea of Notre Dame.
The Internet is something that comes far too late to be actually useful. So yeah, it'd sure be nice to have it at the start. Time to sit back and let the techs come to me
I think the Great Library had a similar effect in a previous Civ game. Went obsolete pretty quickly, though.
EDIT: If it isn't a wonder, then I still go for my Chichen Itza. It wouldn't be too overpowered, but would sure help out on higher difficulties. Kinda like the Great Wall did.
I think the Great Library had a similar effect in a previous Civ game. Went obsolete pretty quickly, though.
EDIT: If it isn't a wonder, then I still go for my Chichen Itza. It wouldn't be too overpowered, but would sure help out on higher difficulties. Kinda like the Great Wall did.
Doppelgänger50
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OK, on reflection, a few thoughts:
Statue of Liberty - The free citizen would still help with production at the start and this could be still be very useful for accumulating great person points if you beelined straight for Priesthood or Writing. Not amazing, though.
Notre Dame - I don't know why you'd pick this over Hollywood, Broadway or Rock 'N' Roll. The latter three give a luxury resource that not only gives +1 happiness, but can also be traded with your neighbours, in addition to the huge culture modifier for the city that builds them.
Internet - If this counts, yes, it would be extremely useful. I overlooked it initially as it wasn't on the wonder reference page (being a "project").
Eiffel Tower & Hagia Sophia - These are my favourites of the strictly "wonder" wonders. +50% culture in each city right from the start would mean supremely fast early border expansion (esp. with creative), plenty of cities flipping to you and a huge early boost for cultural victory, while +50% worker speed would mean huge, productive cities in no time.
Statue of Liberty - The free citizen would still help with production at the start and this could be still be very useful for accumulating great person points if you beelined straight for Priesthood or Writing. Not amazing, though.
Notre Dame - I don't know why you'd pick this over Hollywood, Broadway or Rock 'N' Roll. The latter three give a luxury resource that not only gives +1 happiness, but can also be traded with your neighbours, in addition to the huge culture modifier for the city that builds them.
Internet - If this counts, yes, it would be extremely useful. I overlooked it initially as it wasn't on the wonder reference page (being a "project").
Eiffel Tower & Hagia Sophia - These are my favourites of the strictly "wonder" wonders. +50% culture in each city right from the start would mean supremely fast early border expansion (esp. with creative), plenty of cities flipping to you and a huge early boost for cultural victory, while +50% worker speed would mean huge, productive cities in no time.
niffweed17
Warlord
i buy that, i forgot about that since i very rarely need the happiness resources at the late game; i only get them for cultural victories.
but i'd still probably take the spiral minaret.
but i'd still probably take the spiral minaret.
Shoot the Moon
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I don't think that the internet would be that useful. Because it grants all technologies acquired by 2 known civs. But at the start of the game you woudln't know any other civs, except in very weird circumstances.
Khift
Prince
Great Library. Hit Bronze Working (Chop), Masonry (Pyramids -> Representation), Writing (Library), force some more Scientists in your capitol, get an Academy, and then cruise. By that point there isn't much stopping you.
The Great Library would be quite powerful. +6 beakers basically doubles your tech in the very beginning but the big deal is the +8 GPP. With representation, academy and great scientists all over the place way earlier than anyone else you would dominate the early tech. I might just go with the Pyramids. They are so powerful, but very very expensive. To be able to just have the Pyramids without having to put any effort into getting them would be very nice.
obsolete
Deity
Well it wouldn't be that ******** UN. Why is this thing always so flawed? At least in civ III you could build it just to prevent anyone from voting it. Now if you build it, you automaticaly guarantee everyone a vote? O_o
josephstalin
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Great library/ hagia Sophia/Stonehenge/
MrCynical
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Well the Internet is the most obvious choice here, since you could get most of the tech tree for free. If you aren't allowed projects, only wonders, then I'd go for the Statue of Liberty. A free specialist in every city at the start would be a major boost. The Eiffel tower for free broadcast towers, and so basically 50% extra culture would also be a good wonder.
veryfinemale
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I asked about what wonder you would pick. A few people mentioned internet, but that is not even a wonder. I remember internet from Civ 3, but sadly I do not even know about it in Civ 4.
Can someone explain it to me. How does one get it? What does it do? Where is it listed under? (it is not in wonders, not sure where to read about it).
Thanks
Can someone explain it to me. How does one get it? What does it do? Where is it listed under? (it is not in wonders, not sure where to read about it).
Thanks
The Internet is a Project, which is basically the same thing as a Wonder, except that you can't rush its build...and it apparently isn't listed under "Wonders" here on Civfanaticsveryfinemale said:
It's enabled by the Fiber Optics tech, and will automatically give you any tech that any 2 other known civs already have. It's basically Civ3's "Great Library" wonder, except a few thousand years later.
MrCynical
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As I recall the projects are Manhatten and the Internet (world projects), and Apollo, SDI and the spaceship components (team projects).
Good Omens
Warlord
If we're limited to Wonders, definitely the Great Library. Lots of GPP's, lots of early research, the option to have a couple fewer cottages (and, therefore, better farming or mining)...this would be a killer start.
Problem with the Internet is first that its a project but that doesn't really matter for a hypothetical thread, but what does matter is that your tech rate is still determined by the difficulty and AI. Sure you'll not have to research if you can get by with what the AI does, but you can't really take any initiative.
You can likely boil the question down based on what sort of victory you are aiming for but the most powerful wonder for any game will probably be Statue of Liberty. Even early you are basically getting a +1 hammer per city. Couple that with a typical Pyramid rush game and thats +1 hammer and +3 science per city. For your cultural games the statue and an early rush to Sistine's is +1 hammer and +2 culture per city. Although Eiffel gives a larger culture potential that early, although it won't be very effective until you've been able to build up and then only matters for the 3 culture cities so Statue may still outweigh that effect.
You can likely boil the question down based on what sort of victory you are aiming for but the most powerful wonder for any game will probably be Statue of Liberty. Even early you are basically getting a +1 hammer per city. Couple that with a typical Pyramid rush game and thats +1 hammer and +3 science per city. For your cultural games the statue and an early rush to Sistine's is +1 hammer and +2 culture per city. Although Eiffel gives a larger culture potential that early, although it won't be very effective until you've been able to build up and then only matters for the 3 culture cities so Statue may still outweigh that effect.
