Whats' your politic pick?

[amadeus]

Seems like there's a lot of labels out there for political ideologies. I want to get into more specific terms, though. Just wondering what everyone was, more specifically (see my example for an...example), as this is *NOT* a debate/discussion thread. All ideologies are welcome here.

My Really Specific Ideology:

Social-Economical Conservative Anti-Communist Inclusive-Nationalist

I believe in a moral social policy similar to my beliefs (no abortion, stiffer fines on drug dealers, forced labor in prisons)

I believe in a relaxed economic policy, steming down from President Reagan's "trickle down" effect.

I believe in a strong national defense, strategic defense, etc.

I staunchly oppose communism/socialism in all of their forms.

I believe in acting in the best interests of the United States, but do not believe that one "race" or ethnic group is superior to one another, but use statistics to profile greater potential threats.

....

So, what are you?

 

[Mikoyan]

I am your exact opposite.

 

[SunTzu]

Er.... Republican Capitalist
I believe in a strong army( damn bill clinton)
The most important thing for me is a strong army.

 

[scorch]

question.



Whats the point of a strong army. I'll look from your guys veiw. (go away bad commie inside scorch ).

Firstly, nukes. NOw sure, say someone does declare war on us, and its going pretty badly, what are we gonna do with 1000 nukes? And my guess is, they cost a bit to maintain. I suggest you have about 20 nukes, enough to take out plenty of the bad guys stuff.

Tons and tons of infantry. Whats the point? It's not like any super power is going to require that entire army. Now i can't suggest any number, but i believe a small elite army is best. The delta force is good, backed by a good intelligence, you should have no problem.

 

[Astral]

Moderator Action: No one cares what your opinion is on abortion....in this thread. Make a new thread or find one that is focused on abortion.
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[damunzy]

I don't know how to classify myself. Is there a website that makes this easier to do? The only thing I can do is go by your check list and agree, disagree, or abstain.

rm said: I believe in a moral social policy similar to my beliefs (no abortion, stiffer fines on drug dealers, forced labor in prisons)
I say: Limited abortions, Legalize lessor drugs like Pot (I don't use the stuff and more than likely still wouldn't) for civilian use, continue to restrict it's use in occupations that require constant alertness (Military, Police, etc). If the numbers are correct about the costs when it comes to Death Penalty being more costly than a Life term then I say get rid of it.

rm said: I believe in a relaxed economic policy, steming down from President Reagan's "trickle down" effect.
I say: Abstain, I don't know enough to makea comment.

rm said: I believe in a strong national defense, strategic defense, etc.
I say: I believe in a strong national defense but not the missile shiled.

rm said: I staunchly oppose communism/socialism in all of their forms.
I say: Things like medical care are f*cked up and needs to be available to all (basically calling for a nationwide healthcare system). The damn rich get it all while the poor are made to suffer.

rm said: I believe in acting in the best interests of the United States, but do not believe that one "race" or ethnic group is superior to one another, but use statistics to profile greater potential threats.
I say: I believe that racists have the right to be idiots and think the way they do.

So what does that make me?

Moderator Action:
scorch, this isn't supposed to be a debate/discussion thread so take your questions about why this and that elsewhere. Make a new thread and copy and paste what rm posted, but don't jack his thread.

Miko, you sound like you are trying to prove a point with your "the opposite of you" comment. The reason I say this is b/c you obviously didn't read rm's post b/c he said he doesn't believe in a superior race. So you do? Why don't you try posting on-topic and stop bothering others.

Astral, I don't know who you are but the same goes for you. Read what I said to scorch.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Mikoyan]

Miko, you sound like you are trying to prove a point with your "the opposite of you" comment. The reason I say this is b/c you obviously didn't read rm's post b/c he said he doesn't believe in a superior race. So you do? Why don't you try posting on-topic and stop bothering others.

Uh, excuse me? Of course i am not racist, as i am a mix of two 'races', i was just trying to make the point that i am as far from his general opinions as you can get.
And one more thing, i was posting on topic, as i said that my opinions are very much the opposite of his, except the race thing of course. And 'bothering', i would hardly think so.
At least i think before i post, unlike certain other mammals here.
Think.
Anti-Mod Action:
Hmph! It seems that they let just about anyone become a mod!

 

[scorch]

I hate this world.


TWICE have i written out my policital beliefs, and TWICE has it buggered up on me. Thats like 1hrs writting total.



SO lets just say that im a commie bastard ok?

 

[Simon Darkshade]

I feel your pain, scorch, same thing happened to me the other day

As to my political beliefs, I will try to characterize them in an appropriate manner. Australian point of view here.
I would call myself quite socially conservative and nationalist, but take a dim view of racism and discrimination on grounds of sexual preference.
I believe in law and order, and harsh punishment, including the death penalty for a large variety of offences, hard time in prisons, and corporal punishment where appropriate.
I believe in a strong national defence, and an assertive foreign and defence policy which includes increased spending to get to necessary levels. I do not believe in pandering to the sensibilities of neighbouring states, nor sucking up to them in a most obsequesious manner.
I believe in a higher national birth rate, and oppose unrestricted immigration

I believe in the primacy of the group over that of the individual, be it the nation group or some other entity, and do not have an overwhelming distrust or dislike for government as a concept.
I believe in gun ownership, and training of the populace in firearms safety. I support the concept of some kind of compulsary national service, military or otherwise.
I believe that abortion should be available, but discouraged, with other alternatives actively offered up in all but extreme circumstances.
I concur with rm's point on profiling.
Economically, I do not believe that the state has no place in the market place, and that key assets should remain in public ownership. I believe in such things as universal health care, public hospitals, free (or very cheap) public education, proper public housing and appropriate public works programs for individuals to earn welfare payments if they are not in work.
On the matter of drugs, the harder stuff should be further cracked down upon, and the softer stuff actively discouraged and minimized.
I believe in far greater corporate accountability. I believe in looking after the rural sector
Now for the bit that gets me called a Nazi by some down here: I am not a proponent of unfettered multiculturalism, but rather combining all the good elements of the present cultures into one entity; assimilating it into the new whole.
In respect to indigenous affairs, I don't believe in an apology nor a treaty, nor do I take to several other related matters with the zest of some others in the community. I believe in actively solving the alcohol and drug related problems in the townships, including petrol sniffing, through intervention rather than hand wringing.
I believe in making sensible and proper use of natural resources, with an eye towards actively pursuing sustainable means of development, and preserving the environment, but not forgoing its use whatsoever.
I support the mining of uranium, and believe that this country should develop a limited strategic nuclear deterrent.

Thus, I see myself as primarily a Right Wing Authoritarian; Conservative on some issues, but progressive with new solutions for others. I am a staunch Nationalist who supports intervention in socio/economic affairs by a strong and virile government when it is in the interests of the destiny of the nation to do so. I believe in pursuing national destiny and glory in forthright manner. I am not an adherent of communism or extreme socialism, but in true ALP Right tradition do not completely abandon some socialist principles when they are useful

Sorry it took a lot of explaining, but one has never been accused of not being a complex individual.

 

[IceBlaZe]

From An Israeli POV (My POV):
I believe in nationalism, and slightly-religious defined country for Israel. I believe in giving a higher number of citizenship for jews in Israel more than to people of other religions, but I DO NOT believe in cutting rights for people of other religions.
I believe in a completely equale state for men and women, and when I mean completely I mean COMPLETELY.
I am mixed when it comes to economy, I believe in mostly free economy, capitalist like, but I still believe in a bit of government interfearance and well fare the make sure everyone gets even a 99th chance on making the right way on economy... I dont believe a homeless guy should stay a homeless guy forever...
When it comes to army, I believe that a country should have an army that suits its threats, when in war - strong army, when in peace and unthreatened - medium army... I believe in equal education for all, must-have education untill 12th grade and government support for poor students. I believe in strong sanctions against any form of racist offences and fouls, and I believe in highways with no speed limit like in germany (not that it has anything to do with politics ... maybe slightly ).

About the more citizenships to jews in Israel -> Might be racist, but its just to ensure a jewish regime and a bigger jewish citizenship in Israel, the only country for the jews, the most hunted and suffering religion in the world..

I think I meant most of the opinions here.... Generally I consider myself a Capitalist Liberal, With slight socialic opinnions and medium-strong judaistic Israeli nationalism...
So a part of my opinions are slightly racist, shoot me, but if i would live in any other country my opinnions would not include one bit of racism, again, its just to ensure a jewish regime in Israel, thats all.

 

[hull]

I'm not totally anti communist I like most of the basic Ideology
(except all this anti religion stuff) I believe in equality to ALL people, that is the thing that will prevent crime, not hard punishments! religion freedom (although I prefer the bahais one),
of course military is important but use it just in case you don't have any choice, I'm the most pacifist man I know

 

[atawa]

A Dutch point of view:

Economic:
I tend to agree with IceBlaze on this (WOW thats a first )

I am mixed when it comes to economy, I believe in mostly free economy, capitalist like, but I still believe in a bit of government interfearance and well fare the make sure everyone gets even a 99th chance on making the right way on economy... I dont believe a homeless guy should stay a homeless guy forever...

Army: We only need a small army for peacekeepingmissions although a couple of nukes would be nice.

Drugs: I strongly believe in the right of the individuel to persue his/her happiness. I'd like to see most drugs legalised and the money now being put into drugcontrol into more usefull things as giving out info on drugs and counceling addicts.

Abortion: I support the right to have an abortion although there is something to say for putting people who use it for 'accident cleanup' on mandatory anticonceptives until they get their **** together.

Immmigration: As we are the second most densed populated country (after Bangladesh) I'm all for a stop on imigration and an active emigration policy.
Furthermore I believe that people who came/come to our country and dont want to adept to our way of life should be kicked out.

So what does this make me? You could call me a national socialist but better make it social nationalist

 

[Sixchan]

Hmm, not sure whether to post my ideologies or practical politics.

I'm a communist. However, being a sensible communist, I realise no such government is possible at this point in time, due to the selfishness and immaturity of the human race. Mabye in 200 years it might be worth a shot, but not yet.

Practically, this is what I see as the best system.

Economic: Lots of SMALL businesses. When one business gains a monopoly, then prices etc. become unfair. If there are many businesses, then the market is more competitive and the consumer has more choice. How this could be insured is by the government periodically starting businesses in monopolized markets and selling them on to people. As the government collects revenue, it can bring sales taxes down too.

Army: As one of those "Get together and hold hands" people, I believe in a small, well trained defensive army, and a citizen's militia to defend the country should a pre-emptive strike leave the country undefended.

Gun Control, Abortion and Drugs: Gun possession would not be allowed until a psycological scan had been performed. Gun carriers would also have to be in the militia. Abortions would be allowed, but only for good reasons. If they wanted it so bad they should have used protection. Drugs would be legaized, but they would be taxed heavily to pay for rehab and drug education.

Immigration: You can only immigrate after psycological tests, and a complete record check. You must also learn the official language, but do not HAVE to (although it is encouraged) discard your old culture.

What am I then?

 

[tetley]

The biggest aspect of my ideology: integrity. That simple.

I JUST want men of integrity running my country! Is that too much to ask?? Give me people who will truly represent the interests of the country, even at the expense of their own personal interests, and I will vote for them. What I'm NOT interested in is someone who only PRETENDS to be a "protector of the people" who's just spouting off a bunch of empty rhetoric.

Sorry folks, but as of late in the U.S., that would be predominantly the Republicans. They're not perfect people, but over the last decade, I have found the Democrats' moral and ethical character to be sorely lacking, and we're not just talking isolated incidents. Show me a little honesty, and I will quickly become more sympathic to the Democrats.

Re: military. I'm sorry, but the military has to be strong. If you don't, you can rest assured the bad guys' armies WILL be. Take for example, the
Dutch--what happened to Holland's "small defensive" army in World War II? Not very defensive, was it? Come on, the Germans had a bigger problem with gas than the Dutch. The U.S. is a free country, and I fully intend to keep it that way. I would also point out that overwhelming military force tends to produce fewer casualties, as demonstrated in Iraq. I'm sorry, but--a strong military SAVES LIVES.

Also, come on, use a little common sense here. Obviously a strong military doesn't mean just recruiting a whole bunch of infantry and throwing men at it. Obviously intelligence and military R&D plays an absolutely crucial role in modern warfare.

 

[SunTzu]

Strong Military:
We the USA can't have as much infantry as china, no way in hell.
I'm not talking about quantity in that way.
We don't need someone who sells military technology to china(clinton) for political funds.
A Strong Military is an up-to-date military that is well maintained.
Clinton let the US military fall to a laughable point.
If i remember correctly he reduced the amount of ships 30%.
Its easy to take out a huge amount of soldiers with good weapons, napalm
or a tatical nuke, whatever suits the situation.

 

[Sixchan]

Re: military. I'm sorry, but the military has to be strong. If you don't, you can rest assured the bad guys' armies WILL be. Take for example, the
Dutch--what happened to Holland's "small defensive" army in World War II? Not very defensive, was it? Come on, the Germans had a bigger problem with gas than the Dutch. The U.S. is a free country, and I fully intend to keep it that way. I would also point out that overwhelming military force tends to produce fewer casualties, as demonstrated in Iraq. I'm sorry, but--a strong military SAVES LIVES.

But who had the larger military at the time? Germany or Switzerland?

And my government will be putting a lot of funds into weapon development. My small defensive millitary can be equipped with the latest technology at a lower cost.

My troops will also operate behind enemy lines if we are attacked. 50 SAS troops can do what somtimes 500,000 regular troops can't.

Like SunTzu says, it quality, not quantity that counts.

Besides, remember the militia I mentioned? I'm talking AT LEAST 50% of the population having weapons and explosives training. Any country that beats my Elite, Small, Defensive army is gonna have 50% of my population fighting them to the end.

 

[IceBlaZe]

About Military and Nukes:

Pro of a nuke:
Usually a big war does not (And I hope will not) occur between two countries that hold a nuke... if it wasnt for the nukes india and pakistan would have been smashing themselves already, right?

Con of a nuke:
Today, one nuke can destroy a big piece of territory for 3 million years and more, and I am really afraid of the thought that some 'Extremist Muslim Militant Group' (CNN Phrase), or, lets cut the BS and call it Muslim Suicide terrorists, get their hand on a A Bomb. They want to kill as many people that dont think the same they do... or just destroy Israel in a lot of cases

After all, maybe it would cos much more deaths in wars, but if I had the chance, I would take out every piece of nuke existing on earth, and send them all to the sun.
Better the chance of a global war with oppurtunity to rise, repair & grow later than a friggin terrorist that gives no chance to do the same.


And believe me - Both USA and Russia used to keep a military MUCH MUCH MUCH STRONGER than every friggin need they have. now its more USA... and less Russia because Russia is falling apart... but I still hate russia for being irresponsible jerks maintaining nuclear technology and polotuniom in unsafe ways + selling nuclear technology, even if its not yet 'warfor' to countries like Iran.
If I had the chance, I would take every piece of nukes and nuclear technology from Russia and send them to the sun, and leaving everyone elses if I have to.

Also - Dont you see the second cold war developing - USA/China ?
USA said 'No' to an Israeli deal about selling an Israeli Intelligence Plain (Falcon) to china... 4 of them to be exact, but they have no problem us selling them to India... Whatever you will say, as peaceful as USA gives the impression of, they steal keep the most deadly weapons, the most deadly army, and used the most deadly forms of war, just to secure their integrity...
Although they had good interferences (WW2) they had bad ones... but lets not go off topic and start talking about USA yet again

 

[CurtSibling]

I don't care for political power.

I would class myself as a free-thinking man.

When it comes to armies and such;
If military power is needed to preserve our freedom of speech and way of life, then we must have soldiers.

Without the sacrafice of those men in uniform, we would not be having this discussion.

 

[ComradeDavo]

Here we go with my beliefs:

Firstly, I am a idealistic communist, I wish that one day everyone will be equal etc etc.

I wish there to be fair trade, not free trade (so that makes me one of those people who hate the WTO etc)

I am an aethiest, I do not wish for religion to interfere in the running of the country.

I am anti-american because of a whole load of reasons, but before you brand me a <<<insert comment here>>> I am also opposed to the type of rule being exerted in many countries, from China to Zimbabwe and I also dislike the kind of socialism that existed in the Soviet Union, it was very different to the idealistic communism I preach. But I am very anti-american, sorry but theres no way I'm going to alter my opinion on this one. The reasons for this are the typical socialist ones plus some other wilder reasons (I really dislike the two party system for example, I see it as un-democratic, I dislike the use of 'indoctrination' of children to hate communism and so on and so forth)

Basically I hate capitilism.

I hate dictatorships.

I am anti-monarchist

I believe everything should be done in the interests of all of the people, not a country.

Um, some would call me 'militant'!!!

Ok, now let me state that I have formed every single one of these opinions myself, no outside influences (believe it or not!)

oh, I am also sympathetic to 'Green' cause, in that I wanna save the environment and all that eco-friendly politics YEAH!

(I also hate explaining my political beliefs because I always mis-word stuff, so to put in short I am a 'communist democratic eco millitant crazy person)

 

[Jugulator]

Originally posted by scorch
question.



Whats the point of a strong army. I'll look from your guys veiw. (go away bad commie inside scorch ).

Firstly, nukes. NOw sure, say someone does declare war on us, and its going pretty badly, what are we gonna do with 1000 nukes? And my guess is, they cost a bit to maintain. I suggest you have about 20 nukes, enough to take out plenty of the bad guys stuff.

Tons and tons of infantry. Whats the point? It's not like any super power is going to require that entire army. Now i can't suggest any number, but i believe a small elite army is best. The delta force is good, backed by a good intelligence, you should have no problem.

I believe that a strong army is good and healthy for a country, not to mention air force and navy....but I would say an elite force as the feared British SAS along with good intelligence....